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Okay I have noticed feelings in minor chords and thus scales change with dynamics and tempo.

A minor, E minor, B minor all have a peaceful feeling at average tempo and joyful feeling at fast tempo.

F# minor is where the sadness with slow starts.

C# minor, Ab minor, are both sad when slow and happy when fast

Eb minor on the contrary is very peaceful.

Bb minor behaves just like C# minor and Ab minor.

F minor by itself, in other words no other minors besides the cadence sounds very sad to me no matter what speed or how loud.

C minor is like the most versatile of all these. It sounds angry when loud, peaceful when in high octaves, sad when slow, and happy when fast

G minor has the same versatality

D minor has more of a peaceful sound rather than sad in lower octaves.

Is there any way you can make F minor happy without playing some other minor chords at a fast speed?

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closed as primarily opinion-based by Dom, Dr Mayhem Mar 4 '14 at 21:59

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well whenever I play f minor by itself it is sad no matter what. I have to add some minor chord like c minor and then play it fast to get the happiness in both. Its like C minor makes F minor happy when C minor is happy. – Caters Mar 4 '14 at 19:28
Everyone knows that D minor is the saddest chord of all – Basstickler Mar 4 '14 at 21:51
Caters - we have various questions like this which have already been asked here. The consensus is that no particular keys are happy or sad without your own cultural and experiential input. – Dr Mayhem Mar 4 '14 at 22:01
No F minor, C minor, Bb minor, and G minor are the saddest chords – Caters Mar 4 '14 at 22:06
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What makes a tonality happy or sad is about far more than just the key signature. The keys do indeed have an effect for sure, but it's a subtle effect, and there's waaaay more to it than just that. For Example, Check out

at about the 1 minute mark. There's no doubt that it does not sound overtly sad, yet it is in F minor.

The number one most used scale in Blues is the minor pentatonic scale. It appears Everywhere from Guns and Roses, to Chuck Berry, and AC/DC, yet most of the time you wouldn't describe them as being 'sad' purely because they're using the minor scale.

A few influencing factors:

In every key you have both minor AND major chords. Just because the home key is minor, there's nothing to say you can't linger around the smiley happy places. Take f natural minor, which consists of fm, Gdim, A♭maj, B♭min, Cmin, D♭maj and Ebmajor. you have the III, and the IV which you can substitute in place of V and IV to give a happier flavour, and the VII also.

Another factor is speed, as shown in the vivaldi example above. once you get beyond a certain tempo it's difficult to convey sadness, primarily because your heart rate is generally slow when you're sad, and fast when you're happy/excited. If the music don't mimic the emotion, it ain't going to elicit it.

The rhythm can also have a big effect, as can the harmony, all of which are not defined by the key in which they are being played.

So long story short, the answer is yes.

F minor has plenty of happiness with or without C minor. I hope that this answer gave some clarity on other influencing factors over a mood, beyond which key it's in :)

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How loud it is also factors in. Like for example Beethoven's 5th symphony in c minor is fast and so you might think that it should sound happy in that respect but in that particular piece loudness plays more of a role and makes it sound angry in the loud parts. It also has like this C major part within the first movement before it goes back to c minor and in that C major part it sounds happy because that's really the only feeling C major has. – Caters Mar 4 '14 at 19:55
well, loudness is outside the scope of the question I'm afraid. Again, I'd disagree that C major is inherently happy or sad. Try to think of each piece as a whole package, unique to others. Just because you heard a happy C major, it doesn't mean C major pieces always will be. – Alexander Troup Mar 4 '14 at 20:02
I highly recommend bach's 24 preludes and fugues if you want an idea of keys and their moods, but pay attention to what else is going on, and try to make your own with similar attributes. That will help a lot :) – Alexander Troup Mar 4 '14 at 20:04
@caters - your analysis of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is historically and academically inaccurate, please take the time to either do a proper analysis or read a proper analysis before attempting to speak about a piece. Your original question(s) touched upon the Doctrine of Ethos (look it up). You will not find answers to what you seek as chords / feelings are contextual and are perceived differently by everyone. – jjmusicnotes Mar 5 '14 at 2:33
I have listened to a lot of C major and C minor pieces and the C minor tends to sound sad, peaceful, or angry whereas the C major tends to sound happy. I have even played those key signatures and those feelings tend to be in my own playing of those keys and sometimes happy if I play the C minor allegro but not forte. – Caters Apr 17 '14 at 22:01

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