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I have always used a tuner to tune my violin, but have noticed that the strings are not in perfect fifths (I'm a complete beginner, and I understand perfect fifths to mean that if I play E using my 4th finger on the A string, it will be the same pitch as an open E string). I have always assumed that this is just because of my wonky hearing (I used to be unable to tell the difference between a flat and a sharp), until I came across this post, where in the last paragraph the poster said "but it will probably not tune your instrument with perfect fifths".

Is the poster claim true?

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There's a discrepancy of 2 cents between the twelve-tone equal tempered fifth and a just perfect fifth. This is a very small difference, even for most educated ears. I'd say that your fingering position is most likely the problem, i.e. you're placing your fourth finger on the wrong spot of the keyboard. –  cyco130 May 27 at 9:29
If you're going to try to tune to a perfect fifth, best to do so with the upper string open or on second harmonic and the lower string playing the 3rd harmonic (finger on the string but not pressed down). –  Carl Witthoft May 27 at 12:17

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Using your tuner, get an open string spot-on in tune. Then finger where you think the fifth is on that string. Chances are, your finger is going to be slightly out, as will be shown on the tuner, if it's a chromatic one. Even an open string tuner should show exactly what note you're fingering.Tuning the open strings to each other is the best way, listening to the 'hard' sounding 5th interval.

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What's a "hard" sounding 5th interval? –  jon2512chua May 28 at 14:43
Maybe it's just a personal thing, but I find the sound of a perfect fifth is hard, unharmonious, and lacking anything that I hear in a third or sixth, for example.There's already the same note sounding as a harmonic of the 'root' note, so a p5 doesn't seem to add much in the way of pleasant harmony: thus, hard/harsh - to me. –  Tim May 28 at 14:59

If the open string is the first note in the scale, the fifth is the note played by the fourth finger, which is the same note as the next open string up. A perfect fifth is where the ratio of the frequency of the sound waves of the notes is 3:2, and is something you can learn to hear. To hear what the fifth sounds like, play first the A string, then immediately play the E. If you are skilled enough, play both at once.

Inexpensive electric tuners do not have the precision to tune a violin to the exact 3:2 ratio, so players who need that much precision learn to tune by ear. If you've only recently learned to tell the difference between sharps and flats, you may not yet be skilled enough at listening to do that yet. Get a teacher or an very good player to show you what it sounds like. If you can't tell the difference between close and perfect yet, don't worry about it, and keep tuning to the tuner. Listening is just as much of a skill as playing. Tuning by ear took me about a year to learn to do as well as a cheap tuner, and I still can't beat a high quality tuner.

If you are a beginner, just tune to the electronic tuner. It is definitely close enough for everyday use, especially once you learn to hear what a fifth on the violin should sound like and can finish off your tuning by ear.

The problem with checking your tuning by playing a fingered note is that it is impossible to place your finger precisely enough. You can tune the instrument with the most precise tuner in the world, and it won't solve the problem of misplaced fingers. When things sound off when you play the open E + the fourth finger on the A string, then your finger is probably off by some fraction of a millimeter (or more). What makes it so noticeable is that you are playing the same note on two strings, so any tiny discrepancy is obvious. This is why tuning is always done to open strings on the violin.

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