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I play guitar, and am attempting to teach myself the piano. Which notes from a scale form the chord on the keyboard? Is there a common rule for this?

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What kind of chord? There are many varieties, and they all exist on the guitar as well. –  Matthew Read Apr 26 '11 at 19:16
    
which notes from a scale form a chord isn't anything specific to a guitar or keyboard so I'm not sure I understand the question as asked. Are you asking how to voice a particular chord? e.g. which C, E and G to play if playing a C major chord? –  James Tauber May 5 '11 at 14:12

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Any keys you like. A chord in just two notes played at the same time, although typically three or more is used. Now, most combinations will sound bad of course (at least for a certain value of bad, it's all subjective) so the question rather needs to be specified into which chord you mean.

The rules to form nice sounding chords are complicated, but it's the same rules as for guitars, but because of the difference between the instruments you would typically not do the notes in the same order, or at least you would have the notes repeated higher and lower.

So the C Major on a guitar would for example be "E C E G C E", while on the piano you would just take "C E G". These are both C Majors, although there are complicated naming systems to actually name the guitar chord something more complicated, as it has an extra low E.

Pianos are both easier and more difficult than guitars. There are no barre chords you can just move up and down. On the other hand you can move every chord up and down with just minor modifications in how you hold your hand, which are needed because the black keys aren't regular.

So there are less chords to learn, you don't have to learn G Major separately from C Major, but you will have to learn to transpose the chords, which comes with practice, I'm told. :-)

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"there are less chords to learn [with piano]"... I'm don't agree. With basic chords, guitarists can move CAGED shapes around, while the piano requires relearning each chord in each key. This carries forward to more complex chords and voicings as well. –  Rein Henrichs Apr 27 '11 at 19:05
    
@Rein: Moving shapes around is not in any way less complex than transposing a key on a piano. In fact, quite the opposite. I can transpose a chord on a piano to another key, despite never played piano, I can't move shapes around, after having played the guitar for 20 years. :-) –  Lennart Regebro Apr 27 '11 at 21:07
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"Moving shapes around is not in any way less complex than transposing a key on a piano." Um, this is patently false. Voice the chromatic scale with major triads on guitar and piano. One requires 1 shape. The other requires 6 shapes. 6 shapes are obviously more complex than 1 shape. –  Rein Henrichs Apr 27 '11 at 21:47
    
I'm sorry, I think we are talking about different things here. It's patently true that an an open C major and an open G major chord have completely different shapes on a guitar, do you not agree? –  Lennart Regebro Apr 28 '11 at 9:48
    
Yes, but that doesn't improve your argument. CAGED are voicings. There are even more piano voicings than there are guitar voicings, and all guitar voicings can be moved orthogonally to change key, while all piano voicings must be relearned in every key, making piano even more complex once you start to consider voicings. –  Rein Henrichs Apr 28 '11 at 13:35

The first, third, and fifth. For example:

C major scale: C D E F G A B C
C major triad: C E G

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But, is it the only way? What if I want my chord to have more than 3 sounds(wikipedia says, that chord have at least 3 notes) –  Agares Apr 26 '11 at 19:29
    
@Agares: No, that's just the basic major/minor chords. –  Lennart Regebro Apr 26 '11 at 19:33
    
Well, then you have a different chord than a simple major or minor triad. –  rshallit Apr 26 '11 at 19:35
    
If you learn about scale degrees, the principles of making chords will start to click. –  rshallit Apr 26 '11 at 19:39
    
@rshallit: Yes, you would. Nothing in the question is limited to the major and minor traids. –  Lennart Regebro Apr 26 '11 at 20:27

Open up the piano so you can see the strings. They are laid out just like the frets of a guitar.

A friend of mine actually learned to play the piano this way as a little kid. He studied the strings instead of the keyboard. He didn't know anything about music theory -- not even the names "major" and "minor" -- but he noticed that a certain kind of chord (what we call "major") always looked a certain way: a hammer, skip three, next hammer, skip two, next hammer. Another kind (what we call "minor") was upside-down: hammer, skip two, hammer, skip 3, hammer.

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Right, you need to think of each key on the keyboard in sequence, forgetting that they are black or white. Then it becomes simpler. –  Lennart Regebro Apr 27 '11 at 21:09
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Hammer, skip two, hammer, skip 3, HAMMER TIME! (sorry, couldn't resist) –  bobobobo Jun 6 '12 at 1:23

The most common chords used in western music are tertian chords. This means that they are built up in thirds from their underlying scale. Take the C Major scale:

C D E F G A B

Now, starting with C, move up in thirds (skipping a note each time)

C   E   G   B

This gives you the notes of a "C Major 7th" chord. Why is it called a 7th chord? Because it contains the 7th note of the scale:

C D E F G A B
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
            ^

Why is it called a "Major" chord? Because the 3rd (E) and the 7th (B) are both major intervals.

Pick a different mode (or scale) and you get a different chord. Triads are 3 note chords, built in the same way (in thirds from the root). A scale with a minor third (Eb is a minor third above C) will be a minor chord*. Here's some further reading on chord theory:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_(music)#Secundal.2C_tertian.2C_and_quartal_chords

* It could be a diminished chord, but I am assuming diatonic harmony here rather than diminished.

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If I am reading your question correctly, I believe you are referring to the type of chords besides just the chords.

The question as to the basic chords are answered by others already so I will just extrapolate.

My advise is to forget about scales if you want the fast track to getting chords. It will just like touching your nose the other way around. We can get back to the scale theory behind it later. In my profession, I strife to make learn as simole as possible for my 5000+ student in my 25 years of teaching. I hope this helps you.

Just think in terms of semitones (or half-steps in American Terms) and sharps and flats. With only 9 formulas, you can create at least 144 chords. There is absolutely nothing complicated with forming chords if you do it this way. Peel open your eyes and ears.

You already learnt that Chords are formed by pressing the Root note, next note 4 half steps up and then 3 half steps up. ie. C E and G in C chord. You can get every other major chords by using this R - 4 - 3 formula.

Now, to get the minor chord, just flatten the middle note (i.e. E flatted to E flat). So Cm chord = C Eb G. I do not want to use R - 3 - 4 because by doing so, you end up memorizing 12 formulas at least. I just want you to remember 9 for the time being)

For the suspended chord, just sharpen the middle note (i.e. E sharpened to F) Sharpen means raise the note 1 half step. So for Csus or Cs4 or Csus4 = C F G. You will get this is "McGyver's theme"

For the Diminished Fifth chord, just flatten the rightmost (fifth) note (i.e. G flatted to G flat). So Cm chord = C E Gb. It is most commonly used in m7-5 like in Cm7-5 which is C Eb Gb Bb. It will most commonly be used as Bm7-5 when playing songs in A minor key. Bm7-5 = B D F A. When playing Dm E7 Am progression, replace the Dm with Bm7-5 and you will get the an even more beautiful color to your song.

For the Augmented 5th chord, just sharpen the fifth, rightmost note (i.e. G sharpened to G#) So for CAug or C+5 or CAug5 = C E G+. You will find this is "Greatest Love of All" and "James Bond Theme"

Now for the 6th, 7th and Major 7th. Basically it means:

For 6th ADD a note 2 half steps from the 5th note. C6 will result in C E G A. You will find these sweet sounding chords prevalent in Hawaiian songs.

For 7th ADD a note 3 half steps from the 5th note. C7 will result in C E G Bb. These chords with "unfinished" feelings alway appear in pairs with root chords. I.e. G7 with C chord in C key; C7 with F Chord in F key; etc.

For Major7th ADD a note 4 half steps from the 5th note. CMaj7; CMaj;CM7 will result in C E G B. You will find these big broad sounding chords prevalent in Movie Themes to give you the big countryside feelings. You will also find it in songs with minor keys long root chord progressions like Feelings which goes Am - AmM7-Am7-Am6-Dm...

For Diminished Chords, this is a special exception. All the 4 notes are 3 half steps apart. ie. Cdim = C Eb Gb A. You will find these weird sounding chords prevalent in Hawaiian and Jazz songs as a passing chord ie. C C#dim Dm G7.... or C Ebdim Dm G7..... One of Bach's songs also uses this (I forgot the name) which is commonly used in Dracula Vampire movies. Try it out and see.

For all the above, you will see that all these adds to the color of sound and like an artist, these are your shades that will help you paint your masterpieces. How you use them will determine the quality and output of your music.

With the above, you can create 144 chords at least. Test it out as below

Major (try out all the 12 chords) Minor (try out all the 12 chords) 7th (try out all the 12 chords) m7th (try out all the 12 chords) m7-5 (try out all the 12 chords) dim (try out all the 12 chords) 6th (try out all the 12 chords) 7th (try out all the 12 chords) Maj7 (try out all the 12 chords) Dim (try out all the 12 chords) Aug5 (try out all the 12 chords) Sus4 (try out all the 12 chords)

With so much 144 colors, you should have enough to paint your masterpieces. Only after mastering these, we worry about the 9ths, 11ths, 13ths later.

Enjoy!!!

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Of course a Chord is any combination of notes played together so that's pretty broad.

Most piano players and composers approach piano chords from music where the chords are explicitely written out in sheet music notation. For people learning jazz, there are chord dictionaries and methods where most chords are listed in several notations.

What I will do is to suppose you want to play on piano songs you know on the guitar already.

  • The best way to translate your knowledge of chords from guitar to piano is to have two books, one is a guitar chord dictionnary giving conventional names of chords that you know. The other is a piano chord dictionary, sorted by chord name that you will try to play on your piano and learn and variate, etc.

Here is a way to see piano chords from a guitarist perspective

  • On the two instruments certain intervals in a chord do not give the same feeling or atmosphere or effect. That's often true with chords such as seconds and ninths. So you will end up using a related chord on the other instrument with a little twist added or removed. You could try to make up rules about that but that would soon be artificial.

  • The most immediate difference between chords on a guitar and chords on a piano is that on a guitar the chords are based on modifications of the basic relations between strings:

E A d g b e'

by putting fingers on the frets in a certain order, you add or substract semitones to the member of this arrangement.

  • These 6 strings cover 2 full octaves end to end ! To do the same thing with a piano you would need 2 hands. Compared to guitar chords, most piano chords for songs are cluttered so that they can fit the left hand (and sometimes a bit of the right hand). When a pianist wants to understand guitar chords he has the same perspective problem in reverse: he tries to group on one octave all the notes and usually he can't because he will run short off fingers and strings.

  • On a guitar, certain tonalities and chord types are really easy because you can take advantage of the basic fourths between the strings. Another trick is of course the capodastro to change the basic tuning and transpose. The disadvantage is that certain chords and tonalities are very difficult or require a barré to shift easily. Sometimes you have to exclude some strings.

    On a piano, you rely much more on your muscle memory, practice and training to be able to shift any song a few semitones up or down. At first sight, the ground is a lot less uniform than guitar, with the inegal number of white keys and black keys inside the octave. On the other hand, shifting one octave is almost instantaneous and the range is impressive: you are your own bass and you are not limited by the number of frets, the size of your fingers and the hole of the guitar to explore in the high register.

Another thing you can do (it is fun but it takes time, it is a way to explore the keyboard) It is a bit cumbersome, it is a lot more practical to do that on paper if you know and can read sheet music notation. Or find a drawing of a piano keyboard and make diagrams of the chords that way: it is the equivalent of a tablature for the piano, but learning traditional music notation is a real asset:

  • First, recon the keys corresponding to guitar strings on the piano. Try to play them all at once with your two hands. Try to be comfortable with finding and placing them. Your left pinky must be on the low E. That's confortable to have E-A-d on the left and g-b-e' on the right

  • Second, think as with a tablature of the chord (but use only the position of the dots, not the number indicating the finger to use on a guitar), starting from low E and going to e' :

    • If the string is not used in the chord, lift the finger on the piano.

    • If the base fret of the chord you know is, say, the 4-th one, shift all your fingers 4 keys on the right (all keys, black and white count), one finger at a time

    • Move each finger further right according to the number of the fret where the string is dotted (if the dot is on the fret #6, move it 2 further keys right)

      • Check that what you do is right by ear or compare with your guitar.

      • Third, try to regroup some of the keys in the left hand, substracting one octave if necessary and redundant notes one octave apart if necessary.

      • Shift the whole one or two octaves toward the bass to take advantage of the piano's range so that chords and melody are clearly separated.

You can do the same thing if you know sheetmusic notation : write the guitar chord in sheet music notation (you can start from a tablature applying the same principle than in the game with fingers on the piano or looking at your fingers if you know how to name a note you play on the guitar) then add or substract an octave to certain notes so that it fit in your left hand.

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