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I edited the question extensively. The comments helped me to phrase it to reflect more what I really wanted to ask.

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I don't have perfect pitch and badly trained and imprecise relative pitch. I only started two years ago to learn musical notation as a hobby and writing little stuff for myself and friends (For example). I said this just to give a context that I am not a musician and that I certainly ignore many basic things about notation, terminology, and the capabilities of the different musical instruments. .....................

The question.

I imagine there are ways to get a recorded natural occurring sound and somehow make the sound into a MIDI file, for example, and then open the MIDI, let's say in Sibelius and that should give an approximation for how its transcription into the score should look like.

Some composers manage to write down parts for an instrument that makes it resemble a particular natural occurring sound (horse whinnying, bird songs, rain, ...). My aim is to have a technical procedure to help myself in the process of doing that. Something that gives me a first approximation of notes that I can afterwards, by hand, tweak to make it more like the natural sound I wanted, or make it more playable, and then be able to elaborate them into a larger composition.

Does anyone know ways in which this can be done? Suggestions?

Edit: Also if someone knows of a collection, or a place to find transcriptions into musical notation of a few naturally occurring sounds that helps a little bit too?

Thank you.

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possible duplicate of How Can I Replicate The Sound Of An Instrument? –  American Luke Jan 15 '13 at 1:35
    
Probably I didn't explain myself clearly. What I want is not about what harmonics to add and with that intensity to give a particular sound. I have a natural sound, the whining of a horse. And I have actual instruments. What I need it how to produce a musical score for, say trombone, to produce a similar sound. Or at least to produce a score that can serve me as a guide to then get the whining of the horse with the trombone. –  ABC Jan 15 '13 at 4:54
    
Can I ask why you need to replicate a horse with a trombone specifically?! There may be other instruments better suited. It might also help if you could give an example of what a whining horse sounds like, I'm not familiar with horses making any whining sounds. –  Widor Jan 15 '13 at 11:58
    
@FranklinVP I think I understand. You're trying to make a trombone produce the sound of a horse whining. Are you trying to replicate the timbre also, or just the pitch? –  American Luke Jan 15 '13 at 18:12
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I wouldn't close, and I don't think this is a duplicate question (as far as I can tell). The "Edit," however, seems like a separate question that could be made more specific and answerable. –  Andrew Jan 16 '13 at 23:57

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I think that you probably mean "whinnying" of a horse.

With brass instruments, it's typically done with a valved instrument, such as a trumpet or a tuba (or valve trombone if you have one.) The sound is typically produced by pressing the valves halfway down and either shaking the instrument (in the case of a trumpet) or by making a very wide vibrato. Using a tuba is less effective as it tends to sound more like a whale.

On trombone, especially without a valve, the effect may be harder to reproduce. A possible solution may be to have them use a straight mute.

Alternatively, the effect could be created by a percussionist making the sound through a megaphone - they love stuff like that.

Or as another idea, you could have a recording of a horse whinnying and then cue the recording in the score.

As far as notation goes, the easiest thing would probably be to just put a note in the score that says "whinny like horse" with perhaps an "x" for a note head; as long as the duration of the sound is clear. In addition to that, you may want to put a note at the front of the score explaining how to produce the sound as well as putting that same note at the bottom of the part for the instrument you write it for.

As for other naturally occurring sounds, you'll want to become more familiar with percussion instruments. For example, a "sea drum" simulates the sound of rolling waves, a "wind machine" generates the sound of wind, an aluminum sheet can mimic thunder, a clipboard can mimic a whip, temple blocks can mimic horse hooves, etc etc.

For bird sounds, you can check out the "Spring" movement of Vivaldi's Four Seasons where he mimics the songs of birds in spring. Also check out work by Olivier Messiaen, who was infatuated with birds and transcribed many of their calls, and even wrote works using his transcriptions.

Hope that helps.

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Good suggestions! For an example, most renditions of Leroy Anderson's "Sleigh Ride" include a trumpet-produced horse whinny at the end of the song. –  Kristina Lopez Jan 15 '13 at 18:50
    
This is a very very nice answer. It helps me a lot. I will definitely check the scores of the music you mentioned. Unfortunately I didn't emphasize enough the aspect of the question I was interested more. This is about the process of getting the actual notes. Those composers managed to get those bird sounds from being good at it. What I am looking for is a way to aid myself to make those imitations in the score. How to take a recording (say WAV file), turn it into notes (say a MIDI file), and then tweak the score by hand to get a better imitation. Thanks a lot. –  ABC Jan 17 '13 at 6:24
    
Thank you too, Kristina. That was the piece where I remembered seeing it, but I didn't remember the name. –  ABC Jan 17 '13 at 6:26
    
In my comment above the wording seem like I am asking also how to tweak the score, the MIDI file, to get the imitation better. That part is clearly each one's skills and creativity. Just getting the first approximation using technology is enough. –  ABC Jan 17 '13 at 13:03
    
@FranklinVP Birdsong is much easier to transcribe pitch by pitch, but a horse whinny is a really unstable combination of multiple pitches at once, if you listen closely. Composers never notate specific pitches for the horse whinny, they basically just write an X notehead and include a written instruction to sound like a horse. The trumpet usually half-valves each valve and just goes for it. –  NReilingh Jan 17 '13 at 16:00

You may find that, unfortunately, the best technology can do at this point is going to be somewhat below your expectations. Transcription is something even humans struggle with, and the more complicated a piece of music (audio) is, the trickier it is to transcribe--either for human OR computer, but the limit of a computer program is going to be far below that of a capable human. The more polyphonic, the trickier it is to transcribe.

AudioScore is probably the most widely-known tool that does what you are talking about, since a lite version is bundled with Sibelius, but those tools are almost never perfect, and output typically requires a lot of tweaking from the user.

If you're looking at birdsong in particular, though, that's essentially monophonic (single-line) music with no easily quantifiable rhythm. So, I wouldn't put too much faith in the software's ability to notate the rhythm, but it may be fairly successful with the pitches--and even if it's not totally accurate, good transcription software will be able to show you a spectrogram that visually places pitch occurrences over time on an axis (see the first screenshot on the AudioScore link above).

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Oh, good to know! It comes with Sibelius? That means I probably have it. Thank you. –  ABC Jan 18 '13 at 4:13
    
I just took a recording of beautiful bird song, nicely clean recording, and gave it to AudioScore. How right you are! I can write flute parts, with some effort, that resemble more birds than what I got. –  ABC Jan 18 '13 at 5:16

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