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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
That is, my brain seems to readjust immediately and turns syncopation into non-sycopations. I've noticed this on a lot of stuff since I've started reading music. I feel if I had a solid understanding of meter then things like this won't happen. It also happens on long held out notes. I usually just don't know how long to hold them out and sort of "guess". I know it's because I don't tap or count, because when I do... I can usually get it. It still doesn't feel natural to me. (many times I feel things should be held out longer and they are not... basically to allow stuff to breath)
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
@Johannes. Well, I would like to agree with you, but so much music is in 4/4 that if I want to play with others and play their music, I have to have a solid grasp of 4/4. I will give you an example of the problem. Take stairway to heaven. I've learned the song well and can pretty much play it through on acoustic guitar. But in the interlude sections Am7 --- Dsus4 D --- Am7 --- E/D D C/D D thing, I always "rush" the second Am7. Basically the Dsus4 is pushed an 8th... and I end up pushing the Am7's by an 8th. Because I don't 'think' in terms of meter I tend to base stuff off previous things.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I should probably say why I feel the high as the 1... Because my logic might be wrong and is what's stopping me from feeling it properly. To me, the first 3 notes feel like a pickup(I didn't play the bass note on the intro like I do later on). The notes are G# A B with the b being held out more. But I'm not sure if the drum hit on the guitar is the 1 because usually when I play like that it's kinda like a kick snare thing(rock drum groove). (but I hear it as snare kick in this case)
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I think I'm finally starting to get a feel for it though. I need to spend a lot of time with the metronome and pay attention to the beats. I mainly used it to just try to "synch" to before(playing scales and what not)... but never to get a grip on meter(well, I've tried at times but never had it really make sense like it has. I guess I'm usually trying to play things perfectly and never relaxed enough to just "ride" the tempo, so to speak(it feels much easier to play in time with the metronome than fight every beat)). I appreciate your help! So, what do you feel the 1 to be in the piece?
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I realized that I had to play it slower than I was trying, probably by about 30%. Once I got in time, I tried playing it starting on every beat and the &'s of all the beats. It worked pretty well, but I'm not sure which is best yet. In the piece I did, I hear(after not listening to it for a few hours), the "beat" is on the high notes at the start. When I played it, I played it feeling them on the &'s with the bass like hit's being the 1's. To me it kinda has this tick tock feel between the low knocks on the guitar and the high notes. Either one kinda work as a "frame" of reference for me.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Yeah, amazing I started to play the riff my friend had over and over to a metronome. I noticed that I was not playing correctly. I would try to make certain notes land on the beat when they were syncopated. basically I was trying to play it faster than it was suppose to. If I rushed a note too much I would end up feeling it, I guess, in a different spot and it would cause me to hear things off or different. Quite amazing actually! Once I started playing in time with it, it was very easy and natural feeling. There were syncopations but I didn't let them throw me off.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
The main reason for asking the question, besides trying to strengthen my weakness, is that I have a melody from a friend that I'm trying to notate(I can't share because it's his and I haven't got permission). When I enter the melody in sibelius it doesn't sound right and I can't figure out why(it's slightly off in timing in some way). It's got some type of weirdness to it that is throwing me off. It's in 4/4 but it has some syncopation that, to me, make it feel a bit strange(it's something like aba in 3 bars with the ab in 7/4 and the last a in 5/4). I guess I'll have to do trial and error ;/
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
For example, I added a clip I "composed on the fly" a few minutes ago. I could notate this out but it would probably take a few hours and require some software to loop parts so I can make sure it get it right. I "feel" that it is not in straight 4/4 all the way through, I sort of "feel" the places it's off in some cases(at least off when one gains half a beat or loses half a beat). Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with different meters to really get it or I need to just practice a lot until it becomes second nature...
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Yes, to me, this is called "trial and error". It works well when you the melody is actually in such easy time signatures. When it's not it seems like it would be quite difficult. Specially if the timing isn't prefect. I'm making an assumption that most musicians can feel these meters and most professional musicians can listen to a piece of music and just "know" it's in 4/4 or not... and when it changes, they know what it changes to.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Again, if you feel I'm misunderstanding something then please pursue. I'm wanting to get better... so any help is appreciated. Maybe I will record something quick so you can see. I will make it difficult, for me, at least... and then you could tell me it is easy and why, then I might learn.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
For example, say you hear a melody someone is playing... do you automatically recognize without hesitation that it was in 11/8 + 3/4 + 9/8? I don't. but I can generally copy the melody and play it without too much trouble. But when I have to go notate it, I'll be somewhat at a loss. I think it has much to do with not learning to read sheet music early on. Obviously 99.9% of music is in 4/4 so when I play something to a 4 beat click(accent on the 1st) then the melody will naturally fit into the metrical structure. But this is not always the case.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Of course, keep in mind, I am in no way saying I am right or feel things properly or whatever. Maybe if you expand on your thought process why you can't understand why I could come up with a melody without knowing the meter first, then I could either teach you something or you could teach me something. (either way, at least one of us would benefit!)
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Also, there is ambiguity in meter. Is it 6/8 or 2/4? They are the same, more or less, depending if one uses triplets as the common subdivision or duplets. But we know some musicians will take a melody that was created in one meter and impose a different meter on it.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I've been playing quite a long time off of "memorization" and "feel". I didn't grow up playing stuff that I knew was in 4/4 because I didn't learn to read sheet music and I'm just now learning. I play something the exact same way basic on feel, not because I read a series of instructions off sheet music that told me.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Basically, if I play to a pulse(a click or my own "feeling"), I can make up whatever I want and I can play learned melodies. I didn't learn 4/4 before I learned to create. Hence the creating part is more natural for me(and many "uneducated" musicians I think) and then I have to go back and figure out what I did... or I learn the melody that someone else plays and then try to figure out what they are doing.
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comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
@Johannes It's the same way that thousands, if not millions of "musicians" create stuff without knowing the "theory" behind it. It is the difference between an "educated" musician(one who learned how to understand what they were hearing and those who went off of "feel" and had no idea what they were doing, more or less).
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