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Feb
10
comment Do composers generally have a “logic” for motivic motion?
@ToddWilcox I'm not talking about "what they were thinking". I'm not wanting guesses. I'm asking about known facts. I.e., did they write anything down about it? Is it common knowledge at conservatories and by composers? Can it be shown directly from the score? e.g., we know a fugue has a certain formal layout, we don't have to guess about it or ask the composer what he did. It's obvious and no guessing involved. I have never seen/read anything about motivic relationships. My own analysis suggests that it is just harmonic and sequential relationships with no larger scale logic involved.
Feb
10
comment Do composers generally have a “logic” for motivic motion?
Do people just vote to close for fun or is there any real logic involved?
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
yeah, I'm learning how to do all that stuff... Just never realized I should do it or that people did this sort of analysis of music. I always thought it was just a "feel" thing and I found it very hard to do by feel(since I would tend to feel things my own way and it would cause problems here and there).
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
I agree that bar counting is not a solution in and of it self. But I do see it as a skill, and, depending on the cost(time invested), it may or may not be worth it. Since I'm having to count beats anyways, is it really that much more work? (difference between 1 2 3 4 vs n 2 3 4) ... And surely it will become second nature after a point and not cause problems?
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
@topomorto Well, I don't slavishly count bars in music! ;) I rarely count when I'm listening. I'm mainly going off my own analysis of my own issues and solutions. Obviously it would be nice to work with someone who truly understands the problems and solutions of those starting out... unfortunately I am self taught and also created many bad habits. But what I have noticed is that counting, has much as I have hated it, has helped me tremendously in not only understanding music(hearing things correctly) but in just other areas(sight reading, improvising, composing, transcribing, etc).
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
Yeah, I have started to use the scores. They help tremendously. I have found that when I forget stuff or even when I'm just cruising along, I can sometimes visualize the score on some level and it helps me not get in to trouble like I would before I started reading scores. I still have a while to go to actually get good at it, but it's a great skill to have.
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
Don't take this the wrong way, but basically "Everyone else do X" is not a good reason not to do X. Most "musicians" can't read, do you think that is a good thing or that it will hurt them if they learn simply because most don't do read? (It's sort of circular reasoning) Also, For those that do count bars and are not good musicians does not mean that it's because they count. There are people that don't count and also are not good. Now, if you know precisely why counting bars is bad, such as a physiological reason, then that is different.
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
It seems the more I get "time" under my belt the better things fall in to place for me. I'm not a detail oriented person, at least when it comes to music. I get tripped up on little things and if I don't know why things don't sound right, I get confused and it affects my performance. When I know exactly what to do, I play music, when I don't I make noise. So, I do not know if it is a good tool to have, and maybe it is a waste of time, but it also might be one more stepping stone that helps me improve.
Dec
24
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
@topomorto Well, remember that everyone is different. I feel like I have no problem creating music now. It flows more or less immediately, when I want(I have no creative block in music, for the most part). Not saying it's all good but I don't struggle with that like I used to. My biggest problem is essentially memorization. I find it very difficult to learn songs. It always has been a problem. I have noticed the more I know about where things occur in the song time wise, the better I seem to be able to remember it, I think because I have a lack of solid time feel.
Dec
23
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
Well, I don't always have the score. In some cases it is to notate the score or to know a bar that I have trouble with. I lose focus so easily at times that I forget where I'm at in the song. I'm realizing it's just all practice... The more I do it the more these problems go away, of course one should practice things in the correct order. (seems counting is necessary for transcribing... I tried to do it the reverse way and was so painfully slow that I couldn't get anywhere... was also very inaccurate). I'm a relative noob on so many musical fronts that I'm trying to focus on all my weakness.
Dec
23
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
Ok, I'll just keep practicing. It's been working as I'm way better at doing it then I was in the past and I'm not as lost as I used to be. I try to count sections too. But I guess trying to do it all at once and also feel the music was just too much for my brain at first(not being very good anyways). At least practicing correctly(on the right stuff) seems to help. Thanks.
Dec
23
comment Ideas on how to concentrate/not get lost when listening to a song for transcription/understanding purposes
@topomorto There are several reasons: Be better equipped to know where I'm at in the song. e.g., say I have a problem with a bar of music. If I can know exactly what bar number it is then it can't hurt, right? Also, if I'm transcribing, then knowing the bars seem like it can't hurt? The main thing is, if I knew the bar number "magically" it seems like I would be a better musician, no? I tend to lose concentration very easily and knowing where I'm at is a big deal(helps me feel the music and play more confidently). I am getting better counting though but still sometimes lose track...
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
So, this melody I was working out for a friend, I finally got it! I was thinking some stuff was triplets but they were just straight 16th's, but his accents are 16th notes off the beat(like on the 2& and 3&)... but I felt them as being on the beat(since I didn't know where to start). so I tried to make his first note on the beat(which is is), then those syncopation's on the beat too. The notes in between had to be triplets to fit, yet it didn't sound right. I guess I have a huge issue with confusing syncopation's for for non-syncopations ;/
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
In any case, I'm sure it's just a matter of experience. The more I do it(trial and error if necessary), the more natural it will be. This is already happening, so I guess it works ;) I do realize, to some extend, that one can notate anything in any meter(and even feel any piece of music in any meter), but there seems to be more natural meters for certain things. Obviously a series of chords played evenly with 4 pulses felt would be notated weird in 7/8 and all the accents would be rotating. (sort of like playing a waltz to a metronome in 4/4 = 1 . . 4 . . 3 . . 2 . . 1 ..)
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
That is, my brain seems to readjust immediately and turns syncopation into non-sycopations. I've noticed this on a lot of stuff since I've started reading music. I feel if I had a solid understanding of meter then things like this won't happen. It also happens on long held out notes. I usually just don't know how long to hold them out and sort of "guess". I know it's because I don't tap or count, because when I do... I can usually get it. It still doesn't feel natural to me. (many times I feel things should be held out longer and they are not... basically to allow stuff to breath)
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
@Johannes. Well, I would like to agree with you, but so much music is in 4/4 that if I want to play with others and play their music, I have to have a solid grasp of 4/4. I will give you an example of the problem. Take stairway to heaven. I've learned the song well and can pretty much play it through on acoustic guitar. But in the interlude sections Am7 --- Dsus4 D --- Am7 --- E/D D C/D D thing, I always "rush" the second Am7. Basically the Dsus4 is pushed an 8th... and I end up pushing the Am7's by an 8th. Because I don't 'think' in terms of meter I tend to base stuff off previous things.
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I should probably say why I feel the high as the 1... Because my logic might be wrong and is what's stopping me from feeling it properly. To me, the first 3 notes feel like a pickup(I didn't play the bass note on the intro like I do later on). The notes are G# A B with the b being held out more. But I'm not sure if the drum hit on the guitar is the 1 because usually when I play like that it's kinda like a kick snare thing(rock drum groove). (but I hear it as snare kick in this case)
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I think I'm finally starting to get a feel for it though. I need to spend a lot of time with the metronome and pay attention to the beats. I mainly used it to just try to "synch" to before(playing scales and what not)... but never to get a grip on meter(well, I've tried at times but never had it really make sense like it has. I guess I'm usually trying to play things perfectly and never relaxed enough to just "ride" the tempo, so to speak(it feels much easier to play in time with the metronome than fight every beat)). I appreciate your help! So, what do you feel the 1 to be in the piece?
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
I realized that I had to play it slower than I was trying, probably by about 30%. Once I got in time, I tried playing it starting on every beat and the &'s of all the beats. It worked pretty well, but I'm not sure which is best yet. In the piece I did, I hear(after not listening to it for a few hours), the "beat" is on the high notes at the start. When I played it, I played it feeling them on the &'s with the bass like hit's being the 1's. To me it kinda has this tick tock feel between the low knocks on the guitar and the high notes. Either one kinda work as a "frame" of reference for me.
Dec
21
comment How to find the most correct meter of a riff or phrase
Yeah, amazing I started to play the riff my friend had over and over to a metronome. I noticed that I was not playing correctly. I would try to make certain notes land on the beat when they were syncopated. basically I was trying to play it faster than it was suppose to. If I rushed a note too much I would end up feeling it, I guess, in a different spot and it would cause me to hear things off or different. Quite amazing actually! Once I started playing in time with it, it was very easy and natural feeling. There were syncopations but I didn't let them throw me off.