Timeline for What is my 7 if a chord does not specify the 7th?
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| May 16, 2022 at 12:57 | comment | added | Darren Ringer | There's plenty of room between learning by trial and error and learning by a prescriptive set of rules. Anyway I think as the first half of this answer seems to indicate, a chord without a 7 indicated will definitely be changed by the addition of a 7th. Whether it's major or minor will change it differently and it may work better or worse depending on where the music is headed. | |
| May 15, 2022 at 17:41 | comment | added | Todd Wilcox | @piiperiReinstateMonica I have not learned jazz (beyond a few basics), but the way my mind works is very attuned to understanding “rules” and structures and then extrapolating. So if I had learned jazz, it would likely have been similar to what you describe. One thing I’ve learned in ensembles is there are as many valid ways to learn and understand music as there are people in the world. | |
| May 14, 2022 at 22:15 | history | edited | Aaron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 14, 2022 at 19:03 | comment | added | Tim | @piiperiReinstateMonica - I learned guitar and bass by trial and error, and won't let students waste their time following that path. True, it works - if you live long enough. But it's hardly enlightening, and knowing certain facts - and applying them appropriately - makes a lot more sense in retrospect. I could have saved literally years! And eventually did... | |
| May 14, 2022 at 18:25 | comment | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | @Tim That sounds like a painful road - following lists of rules. I hope nobody has to learn music that way. I certainly didn't, and I'm glad for that. I strongly believe that music should be learned mostly by doing and feeling, with a little bit of intellectual guidance if absolutely needed. A lot of people in the Western world seem to seek a mainly intellectual approach to everything. This site is in a way a manifestation and product of that mindset. | |
| May 14, 2022 at 18:00 | comment | added | Tim | @piiperiReinstateMonica - when one has played using the 'lists of logical rules' for long enough, it becomes second nature. I rarely think about which 7th will work now, after years of just following 'rules'. And sometimes, the sound and feel within the piece will encourage those 'rules' to be broken - it just works. You don't do it and immediately hear, you just get the appropriate 7th first time! | |
| May 14, 2022 at 17:55 | comment | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | Have you met someone who has become a functioning jazz player through memorizing lists of logical rules, but didn't immediately hear when they messed up by adding the wrong kind of seventh? :) I have a hard time believing that such people could exist, but who knows, maybe. | |
| May 14, 2022 at 17:43 | history | answered | Aaron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |