Timeline for How can I explain/understand a flattened 2nd in a minor melody
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| Dec 10, 2022 at 18:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackMusic/status/1601637874835021824 | ||
| Dec 7, 2022 at 13:36 | comment | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | @Corvus Everyone has their own path to learning music. Myself, I learned by playing songs by ear: bass, chords, melody. I built my own abstrations and concepts and didn't need anyone to teach. In hindsight, I didn't miss anything, because all this talk about Neapolitan or Kentucky Fried Chords seems like making trivial things look unnecessarily complicated. It's just a chromatic alteration, it is done all the time. I suggest spending 90% of time playing and exploring, particularly by ear. Different styles of music. You learn by examples. If someone says "this is difficult", don't believe it. | |
| Dec 6, 2022 at 20:19 | comment | added | Corvus | @piiperiReinstateMonica to some extent this is probably about a child beginning to exceed a parent's knowledge and the insecurity that brings! :-) Being serious though yes the answers have been very helpful, at this early stage she is just learning about the "rules" for music, and obviously all rules can be broken, but it seemed like a good teaching moment to learn more rules and deeper insights - rather than just shrug and say that sounds good. Whether or not this actually is a Neapolitan is less relevant than it being a jumping off point for discussion. | |
| Dec 6, 2022 at 14:22 | comment | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | To OP: do you feel that you now gained some kind of an understanding on this? Do you now have an idea as to why it sounds good, and what kinds of mechanisms the chromatic alteration triggers? Or was the main thing just to hear that "it's normal and commonly done". I'm interested in this, because very often people ask to "understand" something, and even if they accept an answer, it remains largely a mystery to me, what kind of understanding was gained, and what was the actual obstacle that this answer removed. Was it about knowledge or skill, or maybe something psychological or social. | |
| Dec 5, 2022 at 23:09 | answer | added | Michael Curtis | timeline score: 2 | |
| Dec 5, 2022 at 17:01 | answer | added | nuggethead | timeline score: 1 | |
| Dec 5, 2022 at 13:23 | vote | accept | Corvus | ||
| Dec 5, 2022 at 13:22 | comment | added | Corvus | @nuggethead She has recently listened to moonlight sonata so who knows what kids pick up on! | |
| Dec 5, 2022 at 2:41 | comment | added | nuggethead | She might well have just picked it up from Beethoven. Same key as Moonlight Sonata, which also has a N6 | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 22:08 | answer | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | timeline score: 3 | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 21:38 | comment | added | PiedPiper | @Corvus That last measure really seems to want to resolve to F# | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 15:58 | comment | added | Corvus | @PiedPiper ok... and then the d#/d-natural are to do with melodic minor stuff? How do you deduce f# - just because of the d-natural or anything else? (It starts and ends on c# and f# doesn't seem to have any special significance in the melody) | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 15:00 | comment | added | PiedPiper | That excerpt looks more like it's in F#-minor | |
| Dec 4, 2022 at 14:02 | history | edited | Corvus | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 4, 2022 at 1:49 | answer | added | Laurence | timeline score: 6 | |
| Dec 3, 2022 at 23:42 | answer | added | Dekkadeci | timeline score: 12 | |
| Dec 3, 2022 at 17:14 | answer | added | John Belzaguy | timeline score: 6 | |
| Dec 3, 2022 at 16:53 | comment | added | Andy Bonner | ...compositions that are outside its conventions. This can be its own strength, as "outsider music" can be fresh and interesting. Note, also: It's a common misconception that a given piece can only use the notes of a given key, or that any non-key notes indicate modulation. These could simply be accidentals, chromatic alterations. It being the season: If I sing "It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas" in C major, I'll also sing an F#, A#, G#, and Ab, and that's just in the chorus, which certainly doesn't modulate (even if the verse maybe visits Am and G). | |
| Dec 3, 2022 at 16:45 | comment | added | Andy Bonner | Welcome! You're essentially asking for a theoretical analysis of the piece; it would be helpful if you posted it (if she and you are comfortable with that). You might also want to check out the topics covered here and how to avoid subjective answers. In fairness, you're actually asking to get beyond "it sounds good" and reach an objective analysis. It might just come down, though, to the fact that new composers and musicians, who don't yet know the ins and outs of music theory, often create... | |
| Dec 3, 2022 at 16:02 | history | asked | Corvus | CC BY-SA 4.0 |