Timeline for Magic Bells in The Firebird
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| May 17 at 9:59 | answer | added | Harry | timeline score: 1 | |
| Feb 18, 2023 at 17:09 | comment | added | Peter | @ElementsinSpace Of course you're right. I was looking at the tubas on the right-hand side of the orchestra. Then I played a bit further on and saw the tubas (not exactly behind the scenery but you can't have everything) which are definitely the Wagner variety. | |
| Feb 17, 2023 at 14:52 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @Peter You can tell that they are Wagner tubas because of the instrument's characteristic oval shape and curved bells, and by the fact that they are have their left hands on the keys (like french horn). | |
| Feb 17, 2023 at 13:27 | comment | added | Peter | @ElementsinSpace So you can. They look like regular tubas to me as well. | |
| Feb 16, 2023 at 12:01 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @Peter Actually you can see the Wagner tubas in the video given in the answer below, at around the 30 minute mark. | |
| Feb 16, 2023 at 11:11 | comment | added | Peter | @ElementsinSpace I think (without any evidence to hand) you're right about the Wagner tubas. Transposition isn't always much of a clue given the total confusion about how Wagner tubas should be notated, but if he'd wanted a 'normal' bass tuba he'd probably have notated it in C. | |
| Feb 14, 2023 at 18:57 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @Peter Ah yes (I didn't notice them before). The score indicates Dans la coulisse "behind the scenes", and calls them tenor tuba (B-flat) and bass tuba (F). I'm pretty sure regular B-flat euphoniums and regular F tubas are what we see in the WDR video because they don't have the characteristic Wagner tuba shape. But, in the score their parts are transposed like a Wagner tuba parts would be. So I do think Stravinsky probably meant for Wagner tubas to be used, and I think they would give a nicer sound for this (albeit cameo) part. | |
| Feb 14, 2023 at 17:47 | comment | added | Peter | @ElementsinSpace RE your comment about the trumpeters, there are also some on-stage (I assume Wagner) tubas at figure 105. The part's only 13 bars long. Diagilev's backers had deep pockets. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 23:02 | comment | added | DjinTonic | @ElementsinSpace "The keyboard glockenspiel, with its 3.5 octaves (c2-g5), also has a much smaller range and is therefore smaller." See that manufacturer's page for pictures, differences, and sound samples. However, listening to online snippets, perhaps just small hand-held bells(?) | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 15:34 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @DjinTonic I'm not familiar with the keyboard glockenspiel — what range does it have? I think it would be unlikely as there's a different part for the celesta, which seems to a similar kind of instrument. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 14:54 | comment | added | DjinTonic | Have you considered that campanelli may indicate campanelli a tastièra, a keyboard glockenspiel? | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 13:34 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @Peter That makes sense too. You can see those three trumpeters in the WDR Symph. video in box seating. To get the full effect I think I'd need to experience it live. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 13:08 | comment | added | Peter | @ElementsinSpace Thanks. At figure 98 there are also 3 trumpets marked "sur la scêne" and "derrière la 1re coulisse" which I take to mean "behind the first wing" in a traditional proscenium theatre. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 12:55 | comment | added | Elements In Space♦ | @Peter It's the full ballet version (first two files in the IMSLP link) not the suite. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 12:51 | comment | added | Peter | I assume we're talking about the 1910 version here (I don't have a copy of the various other versions).I think that sur la scêne means at stage level (rather than orchestra pit) but hidden behind the scenery. | |
| Feb 13, 2023 at 0:21 | vote | accept | Elements In Space♦ | ||
| Feb 13, 2023 at 0:21 | history | edited | Elements In Space♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
added additional links
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| Feb 11, 2023 at 3:28 | history | edited | Elements In Space♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
included instrument name as given in Russian, included French instruction in earlier paragraph, fixed up gramma in last paragraph
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| Feb 10, 2023 at 16:22 | comment | added | Andy Bonner | I don't suppose some of these are tubular bells? | |
| Feb 10, 2023 at 12:59 | answer | added | Lazy | timeline score: 4 | |
| Feb 10, 2023 at 10:22 | history | asked | Elements In Space♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |