Timeline for What are rests in the realm of rhythm and melody?
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| Nov 25 at 18:10 | comment | added | musiklanger | Okay, yeah, I accept it. The topic however is about rests and how they fit in melody and its shape in specific regard to melodic intervals and change of lengths, while separating these regards on a technical level for the purpose of independent fiddling around. I will allow it for both, risking too much rest, but let it be the user's i.e. my problem then to reduce the rest propability of either, whichever I find appropriate in a given case, or with a wink at my creativity, to simply fill it manually by hit-or-miss. To me as a programmer, such lax-design redundancy is not ideal. | |
| Nov 25 at 16:32 | comment | added | Michael Curtis | @musiklanger, rhythms of a single durations are rhythm. Yes, a simple rhythm, but nonetheless it is rhythm. The same for scales and melody. Scales of any type are categorically melodic. Yes, simple, but still melody. This isn't about a superior mindset, it's just simple musical definitions. The detail your getting into in comments isn't about rests, but more importantly it's about style and aesthetics, not basic definitions and terminology. | |
| Nov 25 at 14:54 | comment | added | musiklanger | I don't want to say that my mindset is "superior" to that of you musicians which I have asked for. I am just trying to explain the differences and why I still hesitate to pass the best answer check to an answer provided. I need to understand. Tough times to wrap my head around it. Piano teachers gave in for a reason. | |
| Nov 25 at 14:38 | comment | added | musiklanger | In my mindset, a pulse consists of pulse ticks/beats/"pulses" and length of a note or rest is measured in those (integer units if quantized, float otherwise), so tempo can be manipulated in a manner decoupled from rhythm. By "scale" mentioned above I have had analogously the chromatic one in mind. In a earlier question on msx I tried to test if my conception was right that major/minor diatonic keys are masking or rather connecting overlays on the dodecaphonic scale. You guys answered nope, but the idea stayed with a question mark attached, to be replaced by some awaited better understanding. | |
| Nov 24 at 21:50 | comment | added | supercat | @MichaelCurtis: Chant often isn't a uniform steady pulse, but a text-dependent mixture of different syllable lengths. I'd describe different parts of the text that use the same pitches as having the same "melody", even if the ratios of the pitch lengths ended up being completely different. | |
| Nov 24 at 20:39 | comment | added | Michael Curtis | @supercat, chant is melody. Did someone suggest otherwise? | |
| Nov 24 at 17:17 | comment | added | piiperi Reinstate Monica | @musiklanger A steady pulse is a rhythm. Pulse is one of the most important defining aspects in rhythm. The ups and downs, the hills and valleys of a melody line are another rhythmic aspect. A major scale played like C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C is a perfectly fine melody to me, it's very memorable and often quoted. To me, being accustomed to Western 4/4 music, it even has a kind of a chord progression baked into it, the "C-D-E-F" part implies a C major chord, and the "G-A-B" part implies a G major chord. The final C, being the 8th rather than 9th note, gives a groovy syncopated "pushed" ending. Nice tune! | |
| Nov 23 at 12:40 | comment | added | musiklanger | "Certainly you cannot have a melody without rhythm." - I doubt a rhythm really is one if it only consists of notes of equal length, as I am challenged to regard a scale "fingered through" in one direction as a melody. The former is just a pulse, the latter just a scale. But a pulsed melody is a melody, while a scale with each half-step doubled in duration has a rhythm. So why a software shouldn't zip-assign a sequence of pitches to a sequence of durations, thus yielding a rhythmic melody and enable the user to manipulate and shift both parts independently? But true everything else you wrote. | |
| Nov 22 at 21:40 | comment | added | supercat | I would view some chants as having a melody even if the lengths of monotone sections are dictated by the text and have almost no rhythmic consistency. | |
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