Timeline for Finding the Shadaj (tonic) in Hindustani Sangeet (North Indian Classical Music)
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| Dec 1, 2021 at 7:49 | comment | added | user77458 | Maybe we can discuss this further in chat, if you wish? | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 7:48 | comment | added | user77458 | "I take that to mean that the 'tonic' in Hindustani music is determined according to each individual singer's vocal range; thus, it might or might not actually occur in a particular piece of music." Ah, I see where you're coming from now @Aaron. Yes, the conclusion in the quote is a mistake: every singer fixes a choice of tonic according to their comfort, and every composition is created with a tonic, but the tonic is "relative". A piece of music in Indian classical music is not composed with a fixed pitch as the tonic, neither does the tonic move in a composition. | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 7:00 | comment | added | Aaron | @Namaskaram I more than allow the misunderstanding is mine. Maybe you can help me with this sentence: "The tonic (which is called Shadaj, similar to C of a scale) of a singer is fixed by his/her choice in any note of an octave but such that he/she gets a two-octave voice range." I take that to mean that the "tonic" in Hindustani music is determined according to each individual singer's vocal range; thus, it might or might not actually occur in a particular piece of music. Am I (or the OP) misunderstanding shadaj? | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 6:36 | comment | added | user77458 | @Aaron I'm sorry, but I'll have to continue to disagree. It makes no sense that the OP is looking at the notation of a song in Hindustani music but is unable to "identify the tonic". The information regarding the tonic is already present in the notation, that is how Hindustani music is notated in the first place. It's like saying I'm reading an English text but I cannot identify the alphabets. | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 6:30 | comment | added | Aaron | @Namaskaram As I understand the question, it's stating that the shadaj can be deemphasized or avoided in a way that makes it difficult to identify which pitch serves that purpose. Thus, in such cases, how can one go about identifying the shadaj. A parallel exists in Western classical music; during the 1900s, composers would attempt to avoid the tonic pitch in a composition, creating tonal ambiguity in otherwise perfectly cohesive music. However, the techniques for determining the tonic in such a Western composition would not apply in the Hindustani context as I understand it. | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 6:21 | comment | added | user77458 | @Aaron Unfortunately, this question is unclear IMO (see my above comment). Nreilingh's answer below covers general aspects of how the tonic is identified in Indian classical music. But, "How to identify the tonic when it is not there?" is not a question that makes sense. | |
| Dec 1, 2021 at 6:16 | history | edited | Aaron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
misc. proofreading (but mostly bumping a good question in need of an expert answer).
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| Nov 2, 2021 at 15:18 | comment | added | user77458 | "I have analysed notations of some study songs and observed that the tonic is hardly there." It would help to know how exactly these study songs are being notated. In Indian classical music, the notation for a song is anyway expressed using the notes Sa-Ri-Ga-Ma-Pa-Dha-Ni (analogous to Do-Re-Mi-Fa-So-La-Ti). So, right off the bat there can be no question of a hidden tonic in a song analyzed from its notation, making this question entirely unclear. I presume the large number of upvotes are due to its age? | |
| Jun 30, 2019 at 2:20 | answer | added | Khalian | timeline score: -2 | |
| Apr 22, 2016 at 15:42 | answer | added | dry leaf | timeline score: -1 | |
| Feb 21, 2015 at 5:52 | answer | added | Rana Prathap | timeline score: 0 | |
| S Jul 2, 2014 at 6:59 | history | edited | Tim | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Fixed some grammatical errors.
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| S Jul 2, 2014 at 6:59 | history | suggested | M. Vinay | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Fixed some grammatical errors.
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| May 14, 2014 at 14:43 | comment | added | Anthony | can you post a link to piece of Hindustani Sangeet music? | |
| May 13, 2014 at 18:38 | answer | added | NReilingh | timeline score: 6 | |
| May 12, 2014 at 15:16 | answer | added | dorien | timeline score: -1 | |
| May 12, 2014 at 4:37 | comment | added | NReilingh | @Codeswitcher Hopefully he comes back, but I believe the "melody" lines imply a tonic, but may only rarely pass through whatever note that is (albeit an octave or two above the drone). It would be great if some examples could be provided. | |
| May 10, 2014 at 8:42 | comment | added | user10164 | I think my response will work if you would post a series of samples I will run an example for you. | |
| May 8, 2014 at 5:49 | answer | added | jjmusicnotes | timeline score: 10 | |
| S May 8, 2014 at 2:09 | history | bounty started | Dom♦ | ||
| S May 8, 2014 at 2:09 | history | notice added | Dom♦ | Draw attention | |
| May 5, 2014 at 9:05 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackMusic/status/463243147917930496 | ||
| May 5, 2014 at 4:49 | comment | added | Codeswitcher | Namaste! Welcome to Music.SE. I'm not even vaguely qualified to answer this question (I hope someone who is will come by), but curiosity has gotten the best of me, so I ask: when you say that "the tonic is hardly there", what do you mean? Do you mean that it is not marked as such in the notation? Or that you would expect to be able to figure out the tonic by which note is used most, or at endings, or some such, and that is not the case? | |
| S May 5, 2014 at 4:42 | history | edited | NReilingh | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Improved title, improved tags
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| S May 5, 2014 at 4:42 | history | suggested | Codeswitcher | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Improved title, improved tags
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| S May 5, 2014 at 1:45 | history | suggested | Tony | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
more accurate title, fix typos
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| May 4, 2014 at 12:26 | history | asked | S V Pathak | CC BY-SA 3.0 |