Timeline for What parts of instutional education does a non-institutional student miss?
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| Mar 9, 2016 at 7:14 | comment | added | DoctorMoisha | I like your inspiring answer, but it misses the point. I do have motivation, and I can learn things on my own. But what things should I learn and how? | |
| Mar 7, 2016 at 14:01 | comment | added | user6164 |
Wikipedia mentions a few times that he was limited in theory/analysis... According to music historian Alec Wilder, it was well known that Berlin, unable to commit his own music to paper ... He played almost entirely in the key of F sharp so that he could stay on the black notes and owned two transposing pianos so as to change keys...he once asked a songwriter friend, Victor Herbert, whether he should study composition. "You have a natural gift for words and music," Mr. Herbert told him. "Learning theory might help you a little, but it could cramp your style." Berlin took his advice
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| Mar 5, 2016 at 10:52 | comment | added | Нет войне | @alephzero I agree that most successful musicians will have learned something about music by the time they make it (apart from a few novelty stars, people who are put in manufactured bands primarily for their image, etc.) but there are many routes to that knowledge, including some that wouldn't usually be called 'education'. Many artist biographies describe an early life where there is exposure to music, perhaps access to an instrument, and a chance to perform, and that often seems to be enough. Which is not to say that they'd not have been better if taught, but also not to say they would... | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 23:27 | comment | added | user19146 | The problem with the assertion is that too many hopeful beginners equate "no formal music education" with "no music education at all". For example If you read Irving Berlin's biography, it's clear he started his music education (taught by his father) before he was 5 years old, and he had about 15 years of pretty much full time practical music education before he got his first "big break". Of course compulsory school attendance for children has put an end to that method of building a career, except perhaps in parts of the third world. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 22:19 | comment | added | user6164 | Just trying to show that lack of formal music education (theory/reading) can span across any genre. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 22:17 | comment | added | Нет войне | To be honest I was going to ask why you'd even bothered to reference the fact that many great musicians don't know how to read music - I'm not sure I remember seeing that challenged before! | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:54 | history | edited | user6164 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:36 | comment | added | user6164 | Plenty of early jazz musicians were non-educated in music. They developed great harmonic ears to play what they played. Of course, this answer skews away from classical music, I'd say. But still applies to most pop (whether we like the music or not), rock, blues, country, and even some jazz musicians currently. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:34 | history | edited | user6164 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:34 | comment | added | MattPutnam | I was referring more to the not knowing how to read music part, and the word "most". Sure, you can point to a handful of famous rockers who have achieved greatness by their ears alone, but that's not really an accurate view of musicians. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:34 | comment | added | user6164 | I will change "most" to "many", but there's so much evidence historically that I can not remove such a statement. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:30 | comment | added | user6164 | I suppose that depends on who you think great musicians are. Plenty of self-taught musicians have succeeded in musical careers. A lot have developed their own "theory" to fill in patterned holes that traditional music education routes will properly address. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 21:30 | comment | added | MattPutnam | "In fact, most really great musicians don't have degrees, or even know how to read music at all." This is blatantly false, and saying it only encourages beginners to forgo learning the basic fundamentals. | |
| Mar 4, 2016 at 20:27 | history | answered | user6164 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |