Timeline for What are the rules of borrowing notes from other scales if any?
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| Aug 31, 2016 at 14:49 | comment | added | Laurence | The blues are fundamentally three dominant seventh shape chords. I don't think the inflexion of their thirds are structural. | |
| Aug 30, 2016 at 9:46 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | Well, blues is definitely an important example which can neither be described on a diatonic nor chromatic basis, as it's fundamentally microtonal. But I don't see how that supports your point. | |
| Aug 30, 2016 at 3:14 | comment | added | Laurence | But it describes so LITTLE music! When almost everything - even a simple 12-bar blues - is an exception to the rule, you really need to look for a better rule. A large proportion of the questions here are from people who have encountered something non-diatonic and can't cope. This never used to be a problem. | |
| Aug 29, 2016 at 22:04 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | Nobody's teaching a system that “makes music wrong”. They're just teaching a system that, by itself, can't fully describe some music. But that's fine – all models, of anything, only describe a subset of real thing. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 23:22 | comment | added | Laurence | The point is that those chords are chromatic chords IN C MAJOR. No matter that they may be diatonic in some other key/mode. That isn't helpful. What IS helpful is to know their function in C major. Someone is teaching a system that makes almost every piece of real-world music "wrong". They should stop it! | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 6:33 | comment | added | Tim | Half of C#dim7 consists of notes from C maj. (G and Fb/E) and the Bb is often used in C as well... And mostly chord sequences do fit one scale. There are far more pieces where that's the case. Most = more than 50%? | |
| Aug 26, 2016 at 21:31 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | Ahem... I would argue that the sequence you quoted very much does borrow chords. C♯dim₇ is a secondary dominant leading to the Dm, and B♭ is borrowed from the Mixolydian mode. Yeah, this is “just fine”, but the reason that it also actually sounds good has quite a lot to do with the fact that you're dealing with close harmonic relations there. Your answer reads like anything is allowed, it doesn't matter at all what you do... and while I'd actually agree on the former, that doesn't mean it's not good to still think about rules and precisely when and in which way they should be broken. | |
| Aug 26, 2016 at 20:50 | history | answered | Laurence | CC BY-SA 3.0 |