Timeline for How are/were the "non-standard" modes used?
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| Mar 20, 2017 at 21:02 | answer | added | Michael Curtis | timeline score: 1 | |
| Mar 20, 2017 at 18:56 | comment | added | Alphonso Balvenie | @dekkadeci Relative scales in a key signature, not expanding to the changes in scale for leading tone or dominant chord voicing. Teaching Phrygian Dominant to a first year music student may be a little ambitious. | |
| Mar 20, 2017 at 11:25 | comment | added | Dekkadeci | @Alphonso Balvenie, the harmonic minor and the ascending melodic minor do NOT use the same scale as the major (Ionian) and descending melodic minor (Aeolian). In fact, the harmonic minor gets different modes such as the Phrygian Dominant (see en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_dominant_scale). This may explain why teaching that "the Major scale and the Minor scale are the same scale with different focus notes" is such a challenge--to a certain extent, that's incorrect. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 20:43 | comment | added | Alphonso Balvenie | Getting students to understand that the Major scale and the Minor scale are the same scale with different focus notes is one of the early challenges I have with students when teaching relative major / minor. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 20:43 | comment | added | Alphonso Balvenie | @mikeford Learning the names of the modes and their relative positions to the major scale is useful for knowing what key your major scale is in. When someone says "we're doing a tune in G dorian" it's pretty useful to know what major scale to use if you are thinking in Major Centrism. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 14:39 | answer | added | thrig | timeline score: 0 | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 13:29 | vote | accept | rootmeanclaire | ||
| Mar 19, 2017 at 13:05 | comment | added | mikeford | Maybe using the term "concept of modes" was unfortunate choice of words by me. As I'm primarily an improvisational player, I'm most interested in getting the lines/intervals/chords I hear in my head to the instrument without thinking as the act of thinking takes me "out of the moment". To me, modes are the same scale with 7 different names and why learn 7 different things when I can learn one that covers them all. Anything that complicates the process (for me anyway) hinders the ability to spontaneously create. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 8:15 | comment | added | Нет войне | @mikeford to you, how does the "concept of modes" differ from taking a given major scale and "seeing it all in terms of key centers"? I thought that taking a scale and considering that any note could be the tonal centre pretty much was the concept of modes... | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 5:29 | comment | added | mikeford | Well, all I can say is that I have a degree in jazz theory and composition and I find the concept of modes completely worthless. A Aeolian, G Mixolydian, E Phrygian, - all I see is the C major scale and by seeing it all in terms of key centers it helps enable me to bypass the thinking process and play from heart to instrument without the impediment of thought. If it works for you that's great. For me, it just complicates what I consider a pretty simple process. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 2:29 | comment | added | 02fentym | @mikeford I remember when I saw modes like that and then I started studying jazz. Modes are incredibly powerful tools. See my answer below. | |
| Mar 19, 2017 at 2:28 | answer | added | 02fentym | timeline score: 3 | |
| Mar 18, 2017 at 18:20 | answer | added | SaggingRufus | timeline score: 1 | |
| Mar 18, 2017 at 17:56 | comment | added | mikeford | Personally, I don't really see any use for the different modes other than possibly as a tool to help you learn diatonic scales in several positions (on guitar for example). I mean, all the A Phrygian mode is is an F major scale played starting on the third note. When I was in music school, I figured out that for me at least, it didn't make any sense to look at the modes as anything other than different ways to play a major scale. | |
| Mar 18, 2017 at 17:21 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackMusic/status/843150469342154752 | ||
| Mar 18, 2017 at 4:49 | history | asked | rootmeanclaire | CC BY-SA 3.0 |