Timeline for Learning an alternative moving-do solfege -- futile?
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| Apr 18, 2014 at 21:25 | comment | added | BobRodes | A bit off topic, but perhaps interestingly, the German B and H keys have the same root history as the flat and natural signs: the use of "round B" and "square B" in different scales to avoid the diabolus in musica interval of the tritone in sacred music. | |
| May 21, 2011 at 22:47 | vote | accept | Rei Miyasaka | ||
| May 21, 2011 at 22:47 | comment | added | Rei Miyasaka | Yeah, I definitely wouldn't bother trying to popularize something like this. The main reason I'm really interested in this myself is because I've developed a compulsive habit of solfeging everything I hear, so it's frustrating when I can't keep up. I do admire your friends who can "sing chords in their head" -- that would be a really practical skill to have. Thanks for the great discussion yet again! | |
| May 18, 2011 at 7:55 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: I would prefer explaining my side remark in chat. | |
| May 18, 2011 at 7:54 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: the odds depend on the base set of possibilities (how many possible vowels to use in the system, how many words in the vocabulary of each language, etc.) This is not easy to make precise. | |
| May 18, 2011 at 7:42 | comment | added | Gauthier | @ogerard: I'm not with you, care to rephrase? | |
| May 17, 2011 at 14:33 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier : depends on the set of choices you choose to draw from. A side remark is that Fb - Ab is major so that's ok, but where is the third? | |
| May 17, 2011 at 14:24 | comment | added | Gauthier | @ogerard: I never realised that the german Fb in french and Ab in english had very related meanings... what are the odds?? | |
| May 17, 2011 at 14:23 | comment | added | Gauthier | @ogerard: actually, I never say B anymore. Only H or Bb, so there is no possible confusion. Note also that the H convention is used in other countries with germanic languages. I'm thinking about Sweden, for example. | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:36 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: I agree that the H convention can be a source of confusion and misinterpretation. There have been further systems to map the whole alphabet for sentence or music encoding purposes. | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:25 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: German Ab is not very polite in english and german Fb=Fess is funny in french, that may be one of the reason for its lack of adoption outside germany :-). | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:22 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: good question that never really came up at the time. I presume that if you plan to read aloud the whole Well-Tempered Keyboard (especially P&F 13 or 18), we could decide to use 2 new consonants for the bb and ## cases. | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:17 | comment | added | ogerard | @Gauthier: In addition to implicit glottal stops, "ré mi mi" would be pronounced differently from "rem mim mi" because the "e" of "rem" would be an open "e" in french (think "rèm" like in "monotrème" or "raie" instead of "rez-de-jardin"). At high speed, solfege is more for you than for listeners, anyway. | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:09 | comment | added | Gauthier | And to add to the enharmony discussion, how'd you say F##? | |
| May 17, 2011 at 12:06 | comment | added | Gauthier | This is great! But how do you distinguish "re mi mi" from "rem mim mi"? German languages do actually call their notes differently depending on the accidental. Ab is Ass (sorry, it is!). C Ciss=Dess D Diss=Ess E Eiss=F Fiss=Gess G Giss=Ass A Aiss=B H . Note the last notes, a source of confusion (you never know if B is meant as H or as Bb). Drawback: Eiss and Aiss are hard to say, and the consonant s is not tonal (still you could stay on e or i). On the other hand, several languages lack the french z... | |
| May 17, 2011 at 11:50 | history | edited | ogerard | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
adding US accented system, reference to interaction with sheetmusic notation
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| May 17, 2011 at 11:30 | history | answered | ogerard | CC BY-SA 3.0 |