4

I was always a guitar player and so I never really cared about the difference but since starting piano it is a bit annoying writing the guitar parts since I always have to transpose by an octave. Is there any reason why you can't write guitar music just the same as piano on the grand staff? I think if you use both instruments then wouldn't it make more sense to keep the guitar in its right octave?

  • 2
    Proposal: all guitar music should be written in alto clef instead. – Michael Seifert Jul 2 at 11:51
  • Closely related question. – guidot Jul 2 at 13:40
  • @MichaelSeifert - that would most likely work quite well. 'But we've always done it this way...' – Tim Jul 2 at 15:16
12

If it was written in the same octave that it was played in, it would stray too often into the much lower parts of the grand stave. By keeping it where it is written, apart from the notes on the bottom and 5th string, most of its notes are happily placed within the treble clef, with only three ledger lines needed below that for the lowest notes.

Putting the notes into the bass clef would mean that too often, the notes played would be on even more ledger lines above that stave.

| improve this answer | |
  • This is most interesting. I did read that if you play a C Major chord on the guitar, you also have to play the C and the E an octave higher in order to make it sound "fuller". Why do you have to do this, Tim? – cmp Jul 1 at 20:19
  • Fifth string? Don't you mean second string? – JohnnyApplesauce Jul 1 at 20:39
  • But if the lowest actual pitch of standard guitar is E2 and cello is C2 it does seem like guitar could use the same clefs as cello: bass with clef changes in higher registers. – Michael Curtis Jul 1 at 21:04
  • @JohnnyApplesauce - no, you have the guitar upside down! – Tim Jul 2 at 4:58
  • @Tim thanks. So what if it strays into the bass clef? It sounds like you are saying that the bass clef should be avoided. – armani Jul 2 at 5:58
11

I'm following up on @Tim's answer. I didn't use a comment because I wanted to show a picture and discuss it.

enter image description here

As you can see, the notes that fit on a typical guitar fret-board fit nicely on the treble stave. There are roughly the same number of ledger lines above and below the stave.

I personally have trouble with more than 3 ledger lines and in the picture you will notice that this takes you neatly from bottom E on the open 6th string to top E on the twelfth fret of the 1st string. Ok there are a few higher notes but these are much more rarely played.

| improve this answer | |
  • 2
    Thanks for the diagram. I agree that they do fit nicely but they fit rather nicely on the grand stave without having to use any additional ledger lines and those playing piano are already used to these notes and the grand stave. I guess I am just not so convinced that writing the guitar like this is right if you are already used to piano. Yes, if you only play guitar then it is better because you dont need to learn the bass stave. – armani Jul 2 at 6:01
  • 1
    @armani - if you're used to piano (maybe 10% of guitarists) then just using treble clef is no big deal. Often the r.h. in piano music uses ledger lines. I reckon if guitar music was written on grand stave, even fewer guitar players would bother with dots! – Tim Jul 2 at 9:12
  • 2
    So why is guitar music not written in a tenor clef? That looks just like the treble clef, but with a subscript ‘8’ indicating that it's written an octave higher than it sounds. It has the benefits of fitting nearly on the stave and being precise about the actual pitch. (Which is exactly why it's used for tenor voices, of course.) – gidds Jul 2 at 13:56
  • 4
    @gidds - Have a look at this ---> classical-guitar.net/Pic/classical_guitar_score.gif .You might spot a little subscript lurking there. This is the norm for classical guitar. Transcriptions of popular music tend to simplify. They don't want to constantly field questions about "What does that little 8 mean?" – chasly - reinstate Monica Jul 2 at 14:04
  • 2
    @npostavs That page says: “As the true tenor clef has fallen into disuse in vocal writings, this "octave-dropped" treble clef is often called the tenor clef.” I've never heard of nor seen this ‘true’ tenor clef in any vocal or choral music, so that ‘often’ may if anything be an understatement :-) – gidds Jul 2 at 15:57
-2

Guitar and piano have different sustain, different harmonicity/overtones, different purity of tone. For actual full-bodied chords, playing at the same pitch as you would with guitar chords might actually make for a rather muddy sound.

So when composing for guitar, the true pitch may actually end up a worse approximation of chordal content than playing at the octave-transposed pitch (namely playing as if the clef were not transposing). The optimum equivalent probably lies somewhere in the middle.

| improve this answer | |
  • 4
    I feel the point of the question has been missed here. – Tim Jul 1 at 19:34

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.