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Most guitar sites show chords in root position. For example, the barred A shape generally gets shown with X on bottom string - even though that's always a chord tone, including it gives 2nd inversion.

Why? Especially when those same sites show 'scales' which include all available notes in a certain position - those below and above the root - which actually aren't part of a 'proper' scale (starting/finishing on root).

Seems like two differing concepts.

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  • Perhaps you shouldn't trust the internet. Most, if not ALL of my old paper guitar method books provide chords in various inversions. – ggcg Dec 3 '20 at 17:15
  • @ggcg - me, trust the internet? You jest!! I seem to pick more holes in guitar internet sites than you need to fill a black hole! They probably spread more misinformation than DT. – Tim Dec 3 '20 at 17:19
  • What's DT? And you asked the question about guitar sites. – ggcg Dec 3 '20 at 18:20
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    @ggcg - not being at all political - a president. Just because I asked about guitar sites doesn't mean I believe in them! – Tim Dec 3 '20 at 18:39
  • Lol rolmao ha ha – ggcg Dec 3 '20 at 19:31
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This is for pedagogical reasons. In general, root-position chords are the most common, and when inversions are used, it usually sounds just fine to substitute with a root-position voicing (especially if you have a bassist or other instrument covering the bass notes). On the other hand, replacing a root-position chord with an inversion can create an unstable or even unpleasant sound if you don't give due consideration to the harmonic context. This is especially true of second-inversion chords, such as your example of an A chord with the low E string ringing out—namely, A/E. In an A major context, this chord doesn't sound "final." It sounds like it should go somewhere, as in the following progressions:

  • The so-called grand cadence: A | D | A/E | E | A
  • Something a little more colorful: A | A7/C♯ | D | B7/D♯ | A/E | Fdim7 | F♯m7 | B7 | D | E7 | A

If there is an inversion that you are trying to play and can't find on a guitar chord chart, it's probably because there isn't a good open voicing for it. Even fairly basic guitar chord charts usually include the open inversion chords D/F♯ and C/E, for example, because these are relatively easy to play and are common in guitar music. For a chord like E♭/G, there isn't really a good open voicing; instead you will play a generic shape for "major triad in first inversion," and figuring that out requires some theory knowledge that is readily available elsewhere on this site.

Especially when those same sites show 'scales' which include all available notes in a certain position - those below and above the root - which actually aren't part of a 'proper' scale (starting/finishing on root).

Seems like two differing concepts.

They are different concepts. A scale doesn't have a "bass note" in the way that a chord does. It has a root note, but this is a theoretical abstraction that allows us to give specific names to the different modes (E lydian, D locrian, etc.). There is no requirement that every instance of a scale contain the root note as the lowest note in the melody—otherwise music would sound strange indeed!

On the other hand, a D/F♯ chord isn't a D/F♯ chord unless the lowest note being played (by whomever is playing it; it could be a bassist or pianist instead of you) is an F♯.

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I think this is just a mechanical thing. It becomes clearer when you continue your point about an A form chord.

Start with and open E chord, transpose it up by fourths, add fingerings to include all six strings, note the available basses and inversions...

E 022100 root pos only
A 002220 2nd inv & root pos
D 200232 1st inv, 2nd inv & root pos
G 320033 root pos only
C 332013 2nd inv & root pos
F 133211 root pos only (start of barre chords)
...

(If you do this same kind of transposing by fourth with a fully closed position chord, like a C as 332010, the problem is even worse. The next transposing up would be F as 533211!)

Notice the problem when you get to C, you need to fret 5 strings! It isn't practical.

When you get to barre chords the E and A forms are practical, G is do-able with a big hand or high up the neck, but D and C form aren't practical. Those forms - E, A, G - allow for only root position or 2nd inversion. With no practical way to use all inversions, and with 2nd inversion being a harmonic special case, there doesn't seem to be a reason to go beyond root position in a chord chart.

Of course you can play inverted chord, but you need to skip strings, like x5x36x, and you would play with fingers instead of a pick.

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  • This is about the only place where CAGED makes much sense to me. Take each of the open shapes, and they can (with the exception of D) be moved anywhere on the neck, using a barre - full 6 string chords. I have the span of an octave on piano, so small hands, but have used all these shapes for years. Even the D shape is transferrable, using 5 top strings. The C shape works just fine say making a D chord with barre on 2 - x54232. But my point was specifically about A, C and D chords - which, even as open, rarely get shown with strings 6 and 5(forD) anything but muted. – Tim Dec 3 '20 at 16:52
  • Yes, except it should then be called EADGC, but that isn't a cute mnemonic. – Michael Curtis Dec 3 '20 at 17:52
  • I think it would be what I call it anyway - CAGE. – Tim Dec 3 '20 at 18:13
  • Check your C chord again. 032010, 332010, 332013, 032013 are all available iversions. When barred, 032010 is the preferred shape - 2nd inversion inc. bottom string, or root without. – Tim Jan 25 at 16:07
  • "Preferred?" Of the four fingerings it's the only one possible for barring. How would you bar the other three when they use four fingered strings? How are you going to play 032013, for example, barred on fret 2? E and A forms are easily barred across the whole neck. The others are nowhere near as practical and some are just not possible. – Michael Curtis Jan 25 at 23:31

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