12 to 6 strings on a 12 string guitar?

I have been playing my 12 string guitar for about 40 years and my fingers seem to have recently got fatter, making it harder to hold down individual strings without touching the adjacent ones. Apart from the different sound, I wonder if removing 6 of the strings, making it like a 6 string guitar, would be a way around this problem.

I think it would be better not to do that. Your guitar's neck is built to have the tension of twelve strings. By removing half of the strings, you'll be taking out about half of the tension that needs to be there to keep the neck straight. This could even go as far as changing the neck's shape in an unwanted way.

A luthier probably wouldn't be able to adjust the neck enough to compensate such a drastic change. Although you can always ask!

• I agree that a 12 string is built to handle higher string tension of 12 strings but removing half the strings should not damage the guitar in any way. Removing all the strings would not damage the guitar. In fact for long term storage, all guitars should be de-tuned to reduce the string tension. Too much tension is far more likely to damage a neck by warping it than too little tension. But a truss rod adjustment should be made if permanent changes to string tension are made - otherwise the truss rod will exert too much compensatory tension. – Rockin Cowboy Mar 9 '15 at 21:19
• It depends on the truss rod design. You could end up with back bow if you lower the string tension enough without compensating with a truss rod adjustment. – Todd Wilcox Mar 10 '15 at 17:35
• A 40 year old 12 string guitar is probably due a visit to the luthier for a neck reset, anyway. – ABragg May 5 '17 at 12:02

You can remove half of the strings and convert your twelve string into a six string with very wide string spacing. But I will tell you a few reasons why you might not want to.

But first, here is what you should know if you do. Be aware that you will reduce the overall tension to some degree with fewer strings. You will probably notice that the relief in the neck (slight bow away from the strings in the center) will flatten out some with only half as many strings.

You may like the lower action but if all the relief comes out, and you have a straight neck or a slight back bow, you will need to adjust the truss rod by turning it counter clockwise to loosen the compensatory tension applied by the truss rod. Otherwise you will have strings buzzing on the frets.

The other thing you need to be aware of is that the depth of the nut slots may not be optimal for a standard six string set of strings. String gauges in a twelve string set are much lighter for each string than on a six string set. You won't get much volume using only six of the strings from a twelve string set. If you beef up your string gauges by using a six string set (even extra light) they may not seat properly in the nut slots in which case you might need to have a qualified luthier enlarge the nut slots.

On the subject of nut slots - the string spacing both at the bridge/saddle and at the nut, is optimized for six pairs of strings. To optimize the spacing for six strings, might mean splitting the difference between each of the pairs. To do that on the nut side of the scale you could have a new nut made. On the bridge side, I don't believe the bridge pin holes or string slots (if you have a pinless bridge) can be so easily adjusted. So your string spacing might be a little off center with the neck which might not only look funny - but might require some adjustments in your playing technique (with 12 strings you were aiming for the center of the pair - now you are aiming for the center of one of the strings).

Also - if you don't readjust the string alignment and you select the top of each pair for your six strings and maintain that process for all six to keep string spacing relatively consistent - your high e string will be farther from the edge of the fretboard than normal. If you choose the second position of each pair to remain, then the space between the low E string and the edge of the fretboard will be larger than usual.

Here is another reason the conversion from 12 to 6 string may not make as much sense as just getting a wide nut six string.

A twelve string guitar will usually have more mass in the neck to accommodate more strings and more string tension. The bridge will be a little larger and heavier as will the headstock. All of this adds up to a heavier guitar than a six string.

You might want to consider a six string guitar with a wider nut width and wider string spacing. For example the standard string spacing on a Taylor Guitar (I own two) in the 300 series and up, is wider than what I find on most other guitars. In fact you can get an American made Taylor guitar with either a 1-11/16th inch nut width, a 1-3/4 inch nut width (standard on 300 and up), or an even wider 1 -7/8 inch nut width which is as wide as most and even wider than some 12 string guitars. Here is a link to a 414 CE on Taylor Website showing standard 1-3/4 inch nut width and listing the other two as options: 414ce Taylor.com

Of course a nylon string classical guitar will have wider string spacing but that is not an option if you want to play steel strings. They are not usually made to compensate for the higher string tension of steel strings.

Bottom line - You can make the conversion if you must, bearing in mind the caveats and adjustments suggested above. But if it were me, I would shop for a six string with one of the wider nut width options. Good luck.

• Your 4th para. String gauges for the normally tuned 6 strings (not the octaves on EADG) are typically .010 - .047" , so they're the same as an ordinary guitar. Their gauges are not smaller to compensate. – Tim Nov 27 '16 at 10:42
• @Tim Most major sting brands light acoustic sets are .012-.052 in US Extra light .011 (sometimes called "custom light"). .010 is considered super light and not all brands even offer a set that light in 6 string acoustic sets. 12 string sets for same designation ("light" 12 vs "light 6") are almost always thinner strings everywhere I buy strings. – Rockin Cowboy Dec 4 '16 at 16:46
• I tend not to bother with acoustic strings, but use electric on my acoustic gtrs. All the strings I buy are 'made in USA', but I'd have thought lighter than .010s would be available. But in any case, the 'originally tuned' set of 6 will be similar, whether it's a set of 12 or set of 6, I think. – Tim Dec 4 '16 at 16:53
• @Tim you use nickel wound electric strings on your acoustics? I find the bronze allow wound acoustic strings sound much better acoustically than the nickel wound electric strings. Nickel wound sound dead to me. I tried them on acoustic once because my Taylor GS Mini has the Taylor ES Go magnetic soundhole PU and it does not properly read the wound acoustic strings. I definitely got way more volume through the amp with electric strings but when played acoustic only, it sounded dead with the electric strings. – Rockin Cowboy Dec 5 '16 at 4:20
• Yes, I use .008s. Yes, the sound is a little thinner. There's no pup on the main acoustic, a 50 yr old Epiphone, that I use for recording, but mic'd up right, there's no need for much volume, and eq compensates for lack of beefiness - and it's comfortable to play. If yours is played through an amp, extra volume doesn't make a lot of difference, I'd have thought. The trim pots (or pre-) on the amp are there to compensate. I remember one band saying their mics were better than mine (Shure Beta 58!) only because the trim pots needed to be set lower... still don't understand. – Tim Dec 5 '16 at 8:58

It sounds like a pretty strange solution to the problem. Sourcing a 6-string guitar with a suitably wide neck would be far better, surely - and either keep the 12-str or sell/trade it?

If you remove one of each pair of string, two things may happen:

The action will almost certainly get lower, which will make the guitar easier to play but may cause fret buzzing.

The intonation may be off on the higher frets. To test the intonation, play the harmonic at the 12th fret and compare it with the fretted note. The two should be the same. Obviously do this before removing the strings as well as after. In either case, the solution (where possible) is to adjust the bridge.

Both these issues should be apparent immediately when you remove the strings. If you have either of these issues, you should probably abandon the idea, sell the 12-string and buy a 6-string, because asking a luthier to re-work your guitar to solve these issues doesn't make sense. Otherwise you're probably ok.

I don't buy the idea that you can do permanent damage to a guitar by reducing the tension overall. After all, when guitars are made they have no strings on them. There may be some instability in the tuning and intonation in the first month after a drastic change in tension though. On the other hand, I would never leave a guitar with strings only on one side of the neck, as this could well warp it. That said, proceed at your own risk.

If your fingers are too big to hold individual (pairs?) of strings without catching the adjacent strings, then it won't make any differencde when you take off the extra six strings. The spacings will still be the same, and the problem will still be the same. Best bet is another guitar, with a slightly wider fingerboard.

Don’t listen to all them doubters; had a similar problem (arthritis) bought a guitar which had been converted (12 string Freshman electro-acoustic). No problems at all, none.

I just did this on a vintage solid rosewood Yamaha 12-string. I simply do not understand the fear in so many answers here! Where are the people who say, "go for it, good luck!"?

For me, it worked great, though the nut may have to be filed a bit to lower the thick gauges. The sound? Incredible. My guitar sounds better as a six-string than it ever did as a 12!

Heres my story I started playing at 58 when my company decided to release me before my big fat pension at 60 fell.

Decided to buy a guitar ended up with a Dean 6 string 41mm nut brought blind based on good reviews,for 3 years i have been playing ,made decent self taught progress in picking and strumming expanded my rep of chords nicely and loved the sound,of the guitar.

However when i ever got even slightly nervous ,playing in front of people or highly talented players/new song i would get loads of fingering errors on chords hitting wrong strings,like the poster I have wide fingerpads. I rarely play any song 100%, im happy if i can finish with just a couple of errors

So after a bad night just 4 days ago when i really bummed every song i played,missing chords like Bm ,Bm7 continuously i was at a low ebb. One of the talented guys who had been doing fills and riffs on his acoustic covering other songs all night popped over,asked if he could look at my hands ,then he looked at my guitar ,played it a while and said "you need a wider neck,its a nice guitar but i wouldnt like to play this,its to narrow" ,after more chat the lightbulb came on for me .

Back home i have a 12 string seagull,brought on a whim with a 49mm nut all setup ,low action,rarely played looking good on a wall!! The same night after my musical disaster ,i took it down of my wall and without any thought at all at 0200 in the morning cut the Bird from 12 to 6 strings.

In the last 4 days i have played the Seagull 12/6 to death ,running through aound 100 songs in my files, and for me its been tranformational ,chords I always found a bit hit and miss on changeover like D#Dim ,Bms ,Fsus2 now play soooooo much easier.

I have seen no discernable change in action or neck issues or buzz in the last 4 days the sound is lighter brighter than my 6 string ,less bass tones ,but i actually like this. My bass E string is 0.47,compared to my 6 strings 0.54 Ist E 0.10 vs 0.12 yes i think the nut grooves will need widening if i want to deepen the tones,but thats relatively easy to do with the right tools,for now i will compensate the sound a little with a harder plectrum and pick a little harder! Tonight im down the local tavern in front of my peers ,yep im gonna be a little tight ,but i know im going to be a better player for what ive done GO FOR IT Bro

If like me anyone out their is a novice ,reads this and you have to have a steel strung guitar as your first ,get the widest neck you can ,dont make my mistake and struggle as a result!

Yes, it can be done; I've done it successfully. The nut, bridge and pin issues can all be addressed, and the neck relief is easily tweaked. Is it a good solution to your problem? I doubt it. Check out the string spacing on a violin. The strings (at the nut) are so close you'd swear the instrument was designed by, and for, babies, yet adults of all shapes and sizes have been making good music on the violin for centuries.

The slickest twelve string is still a more 'physical' instrument to play than a six string. I suspect that your issue is time away from the instrument. With enough practice, your hands will start doing the right thing again, even if they have gone up a glove size. A six string will be easier for you, but it's still all about practice.

Do I play my converted twelve-to-six string much? Nah: it's an ugly, converted-looking thing, and the neck feels like a baseball bat. I suspect you'll enjoy a purpose-built six string more.

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