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A diatonic scale is defined as an ordered collection of pitches. However, given the many modes of the diatonic scales, what is meant when someone says "the" diatonic scale? Wikipedia says it's an ordered set of pitch classes, even though it says that a scale is an ordered set of pitches, so I wasn't sure if one can reasonably call a collection of pitch classes a scale.

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  • I'm pretty sure any time you see "the" diatonic scale it means the same thing as "a" diatonic scale, except often by "the" what is meant is the whole category of diatonic scales taken together and assumed to act the same way, whereas "a" means a particular scale, possible used as an example. Oct 6, 2015 at 11:30
  • To an extent this is simply a feature of the English language: you can use the definite to refer to things generally. (Perhaps confusing for some!) For example, the violin is a bowed string instrument.
    – phoog
    Feb 10 at 10:41

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Most people will use them interchangeably and you will be understood either way, but there is a reason for the distinction.

The diatonic scale refers to the pattern which is utilized inside the diationc scale itself which consists of the Ionian (Major), Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian (Minor), or Locrian. Think of the major scale pattern, WWHWWWH, where you can start on any degree and the pattern will be the same, just your starting in a different degree.

A diatonic scale specifically refers to only one of the subsets.

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A scale is diatonic if it has seven scale degrees separated by the either the following pattern or any of its rotations (W= whole step, H= half step):

W-W-H-W-W-W-H

Any scale starting on any pitch that has this pattern of whole steps and half steps is a diatonic even if the pattern starts somewhere other than the beginning. There is no need to distinguish between a diatonic scale and the diatonic scale because diatonic means both that there are seven notes in the scale, and that they are in a given intervallic disposition. To contrast this, any scale with just five notes is technically "pentatonic" but when most people refer to it, they mean the scale that has this interval pattern (W= whole step, m3= minor 3rd):

W-W-m3-W-m3

Here it is important to distinguish between scales with this particular pattern and other ones that have five notes, but follow a different intervallic pattern such as the "Japanese Mode". Note that the linked article refers to this as a pentatonic scale. If you want to specify that you're referring to the scale with the W-W-m3-W-m3 pattern, you can say it's the pentatonic scale. Note that this distinction is not necessary with the diatonic scale, because the term diatonic refers to both the number of notes, 7, and the interallic composition of the scale unlike pentatonic, for example, that only technically refers to the number of notes.

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A diatonic scale is a scale made of seven notes, with five whole tones and two half tones. Therefore a major scale is a diatonic scale, but a diatonic scale might not be a major scale.

Some may use "the diatonic scale" to name the "major scale" interchangeably, but that is in theory wrong. In some contexts you might be understood if you use "diatonic" to designate the "major scale", I don't know; but I can tell you in the environment of classical music, you don't use these terms interchangeably, because they mean different things.

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"The" diatonic scale likely means the collection of "white keys" on a keyboard without indicating a particular of the church modes. So it's the notes of C major but without a particular tonic in mind.

Possibly even used for any scale with the same sequence of whole- and half-tone steps, distinguishing it from chromatic scales and possibly "unnatural" scales like melodic/harmonic/gypsy minor.

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    2nd para right. 1st para. not quite right.
    – Tim
    Oct 7, 2015 at 16:23
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The simplest definitions for diatonic and chromatic are:

Diatonic is all the notes "inside" the scale (whatever that scale might be).

Chromatic refers to notes that are "outside" that scale.

Thus, the seven diatonic chords of the major scale are like a family who all share the same parent scale.

Furthermore, diatonic chords can be created within any scale. E.g. a C-wholetone scale contains a family of 6 diatonic chords - each of them an augmented chord, diatonically.

These are deliberately simplistic definitions that I use to explain these concepts to college students who take my Beginner Keyboard course as an elective. (i.e. adult beginners with no musical experience). Student feedback suggests they are effective, easily understood definitions that are useful for practical musical purposes.

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    Don't think it's any old scale. It's not true for pents, or blues . Whole tone scale doesn't contain all diatonic notes or chords. Chromatic scales use each and every note, so are not necessarily 'inside or outside' a scale. Chromatic notes themselves are found outside diatonic scales.
    – Tim
    Oct 7, 2015 at 16:25
  • The definitions given are deliberately simplistic generalizations and aimed at the music theory novice who is primarily interested in the application of this theory. The five notes of a major pentatonic scale are diatonic to it. The first expansion of this scale will also yield 5 diatonic chords however, they will be a mix of chord types because of the nature of the parent scale. It's also the case that many folk instruments (e.g. diatonic harmonicas) don't have the full complement of 12 chromatic tones. Thus it could be said that every tone of those instruments is diatonic to it.
    – Altered7th
    Oct 8, 2015 at 22:03
  • @Altered7th it's not what diatonic means. There are only a few scales that are diatonic. Any scale that contains the pattern inside the major scale WWHWWWH is diatonic. So the pentatonic an whole tone scale are not diationic.
    – Dom
    Jul 3, 2016 at 21:04
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Because of the definition of diatonic scale:

  • it has 7 tones;
  • it has only whole step and half step intervals;
  • the two half-step intervals are maximally separated (i.e. you cannot have patterns such as WHHW... or WHWHW....);

of the 4096 possible scales (on the 12 notes scale: 2^12 = 4096), only 12 of those are diatonic.

But there is really only one diatonic scale, and by transposition you obtain the 12 diatonic scales.

In the following table you can find all 12 diatonic scales, and adjacent scales -differing only by one note- are spaced one fifth apart (7 half tones):

C C♯ D D♯ E F F♯ G G♯ A A♯ B
o o o o o o o C locrian (vii) = D♭ major
o o o o o o o C phrygian (iii) = A♭ major
o o o o o o o C aeolian (vi) = E♭ major
o o o o o o o C dorian (ii) = B♭ major
o o o o o o o C mixolydian (v) = F major
o o o o o o o C ionian (i) = C major
o o o o o o o C lydian (iv) = G major
o o o o o o o ------------- D major
o o o o o o o ------------- A major
o o o o o o o ------------- E major
o o o o o o o ------------- B major
o o o o o o o ------------- G♭ major

If you consider the pitch classes, then there are 12 diatonic scales, but if you only look at intervals, there is only 1 diatonic scale (by transposing and changing the root note you obtain all 12).

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