I've occasionally found myself listening to music that's not always in standard meter. Either through odd time signatures, syncopation, or a combination of the two, certain music seems hard to imagine what the time signature may be for the purposes of transcription. What exercises exist to help identify these oddities? In particular, I'm looking at:

  • Which note gets the beat (denominator in time signature)
  • How you identify syncopation vs. odd time signatures
  • How you identify time signatures
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    Sometimes there is not one answer to those questions. Even at a very basic level, the difference between 2/4 and 4/4 can be subtle. Also 5/4 versus 2/4 followed by 3/4 is almost a matter of preference if there isn't an obvious rhythm. A good rule of thumb is to go with what feels best at a macroscopic level. For instance, if you think the piece is more of a march feel, then you would go 2/4 instead of 4/4, all other things being equal. Feb 22, 2016 at 20:47
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    'For the purpose of transcription' - if it's for you to replay, then it's not going to be so important as to whether you change the time sig. or just add accents when you think necessary. Even if it's for others, often the end result will be the same in performance. A time sig. is going to be decided when a piece has a regular number of beats per bar. Generally beat one is recognised as the most prominent, but that's nowhere near true in a lot of songs or styles. Todd mentioned 5/4: if the rhythm is similar throughout, then it makes sense to leave at 5/4 rather than alternate every other bar.
    – Tim
    Feb 23, 2016 at 8:36
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    The original version of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring has many changing meters to notate the complex-sounding rhythms. Later, Stravinsky revised it and just put most of it into standard meters like 4/4 to make it easier to conduct. It sounds exactly the same in either version. Feb 23, 2016 at 14:14
  • @AndrewCashner - as I wrote my comment, 'Rite of Spring' sprang to mind. I often thought that there was perhaps a different - better- way to write it.
    – Tim
    Feb 23, 2016 at 18:14
  • @Tim, it's for the purpose of playing, but more archival than that. Also, what I intend on transcribing has quite a bit to do with rhythm. I think a closer-to-original transcription in written form is worth the few extra practice sessions to get multiple time signatures down, than some oddly syncopated common-time transcription.
    – user6164
    Feb 23, 2016 at 19:21

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As Todd states in his comment, there isn't "one way" to notate rhythms. After all, notation is just a partial representation of the sounds produced, and several may be possible and equally correct. I have an answer over here for more on this.

Therefore, the best notation will be the clearest expression of artistic intent. Some guidelines I suggest:

  1. Which note gets the beat?

I'd start instead by determining which notes are the most common and near the middle of the used durations. Most pieces rely heavily on about three durations - make these your quarter notes, eighths, and sixteenths if it's a faster feeling piece, and halves, quarters, and eighths if it feels slower. You want to make as many of the notes as possible easy to count, so if you have some much faster notes than "average", use that to inform your decision.

Once you get the rhythm of a passage roughed in, hopefully you'll start to see patterns. Your ear will tell you if a particular bit of music feels the same as another, so you can start to put in your barlines. If not, go on to the next question and come back to this.

  1. How do you identify syncopation vs odd time signatures?

Go for simplicity here. If the pattern keeps changing chances are you're looking at syncopation. If it's more regular, you'd be better off writing in that meter. You may try it with two time signatures and see which is easier to read.

Don't forget about time signatures such as 3+3+2/8. At slow speeds, this could feel like the meter is constantly shifting between 3 and 2, but with careful notation it can be clearer to read as 4/2 or 4/4. Also remember that it is possible to have a hemiola going through many measures, but that the underlying pulse might be the same.

When in doubt, choose the voice with the most repetition of pitches to look for clues as to what's going on. If you have a percussion or bass part, they usually are providing a rhythmic structure for other voices. If multiple voices keep having cross rhythms, at least one of them is syncopated.

  1. How do you identify time signatures?

In one ethnomusicology class, we were introduced to an eastern dance form in 5 that was described indigenously "limping dance". This has stuck with me as a way to identify odd time signatures - can a passage be danced in a "limping" way with some regularity? For example, a dance in slow five (think Mars) would feel like two dance steps with a limping third. A faster five might feel like two uneven steps.

Once you figure out whether you're dealing with an odd time signature or not, start tapping along. How many pulses are there in the measure? Are some strong and weak? If you're not sure, tap at double the speed of the main rhythmic progression and use that as the subdivision of the beat.

The number on the bottom of the time signature is determined by legibility. Are there a whole pile of notes in a measure? It's x/2 or x/4. Lots of notes that cover whole measures? x/8. Keep it easy to read.

Ultimately it all comes down to communicating intent effectively. It make take a few tries and some time away from the piece to get it right.

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