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I play rhythm guitar and solo in a four piece band that improvises on traditional folk music.

I really like the sound of quartal harmony (building chords on fourths instead of thirds) and I've been told that it's possible to fit quartal harmony to standard chord progressions but how do I do that in an ensemble context on these chord progressions? (Uppercase are major, lower case are minor):

  • I IV V
  • iii vi V7
  • i VII
  • I VII
  • ii V7
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    RIght off the bat, they seem to be similar to sus2 or add9 and sus4 or add11 chords. If we spell some of them and imagine them as inverted triads we get: e.g., C F Bb - either Fsus4 or Bb sus2; C F Bb Eb could be F7sus4 or Cm7add11 (no 5?!). – Todd Wilcox Jun 24 '16 at 17:11
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Depending on how traditional the band is, it may be a little difficult to employ quartal harmony. Since quartal harmony is definitively different than triadic harmony, you're essentially try to use something that doesn't "belong". Using quartal harmonies on top of triads can cause some major clashes and/or result in the harmony being changed. For instance, quartal harmony in place of a major triad will potentially cause a clash with the major third of the initial harmony, so if someone else is still playing that major chord and/or the third appears in the melody, you will either end up creating a minor second or b9 between the third and the fourth, which is usually more dissonance than traditional folk calls for, or if the fourth appears lower than the third, it could change the chord and/or its function.

Using quartal harmony in place of triadic harmony was used by Miles Davis on "Kind of Blue". Part of the reason he was able to do this so effectively is because he was composing in Jazz, where all of the chords allow for extensions, unlike folk that typically uses triads and 7 chords. Davis stacked chord tones quartally but was still using triad based harmony and you will actually find that there is a major third on top of those chord shapes, so it's not strictly quartal. It does still supply the feeling of quartal harmonies though, so I've never really heard anyone argue it.

So trying to use quartal chords in place of triads could be possible but it's going to actually change the harmony instead of being another way to utilize the triads. You can't really use quartal voicings for triads because the only fourth within them is the fifth up to the root. If you want to try to do something like that, you have to include additional notes, like extensions and alterations, or you would need to rewrite the harmony entirely, taking care to avoid the dissonances that can come from the minor 2nd/b9 interval that I referred to earlier.

Todd mentioned in a comment that there are some chord types that are kind of quartal in nature, such as the sus4 chord, but they do function differently and are an extension of the triadic system. You could end up using this as a means to convey the chord types to those that don't understand the quartal harmony concept too, as lots of musicians are aware of sus chords.

It's hard to say what would be the best way to approach this with the given chord progressions you've presented due to the intrinsic differences between triadic and quartal harmonies. You could try using extensions and see if it works out with the below suggestions.

For a major chord, you could try your quartal voicing starting with 3 as the lowest note and stack 4ths: 3, 6/13, 2/9, 5, 1 (for a C major chord: E, A, D, G, C)

For a minor chord, you could try starting at the fifth: 5, 1, 4/11, 7, 3 (for an A minor chord: E, A, D, G, C)

For a dominant chord, which will have a different sound than most due to its tritone, you could start on 7: 7, 3, 6/13, 2/9, 5, 1 (for a G7: F, B, E, A, D, G)

As you can see, these would all have to include additional notes to be able to accommodate 4ths the whole way up. This can add some "richness" to your harmony but it's not something you really see in traditional folk. But you could come up with some great sounds and try to bring some progressiveness to your traditional group if there's room for you to make such a suggestion.

  • My group plays some music that either omits thirds or is ambiguous as to whether a major third or a minor third is played. In some of it, the melody will play minor thirds and the harmony major thirds. – pro Jun 24 '16 at 21:19
  • Interesting. That's a little contrary to my experience with traditional folk but I am nofolk expert. With the omission of the third, it should be considerably easier to use some quartal chords. Those with major and minor thirds might end up having a lot of additional dissonance, especially when they're all happening at once, as it would leave you with 3 adjacent minor seconds. I think it will take a little experimenting to work out exactly where it would sound best but the quartal sound feels rather "open" in general, so sections that are meant to "breathe" a bit are good candidates. – Basstickler Jun 27 '16 at 17:10
  • I guess I would suggest trying to find a shape for each chord type and using that to sub for those chord types in your songs. In simplest form: 5, 1, 4. Then you can just move that shape around for each chord progression and add additional notes such as I have suggested in the answer if it sounds like it needs more. Unlike triads, voice leading and inversions won't be able to be applied in the same manner without taking away from the quartal sound but you can obviously still try it if you're not trying to be strict and it should still have a more "open" feel than the triads they're replacing. – Basstickler Jun 27 '16 at 17:16
  • tried your suggestions. Quartals seem to work better on the lower-pitched strings in drop2 voicings. On the higher-pitched strings I sometimes have to move up or down a fret to get the quartal to fit. When there's a single chord for four bars, using a higher-voiced quartal and shifting it up a fret then back down in a funk pattern sounds pretty cool. – pro Jun 27 '16 at 17:24
  • Great, glad to hear that it's worked for you so far. I imagine that the higher register will work a little better with more extensions, bringing a little more depth and preventing it from feeling a little empty. The lower register should produce a very "warm" sound that's probably easier to have fill the rhythm section with. – Basstickler Jun 29 '16 at 13:24
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'Quartal harmony' is very often just 'pile of thirds' harmony with lots of extensions (9ths, 13ths) and added notes (add2, add6) voiced in 4ths. There may also be more use of 'planing' than in 'cycle of 5ths' progressions.

You may find that adding these techniques to simple folk-music chord progressions is illuminating. Or you may find that it's destructive - like they're playing in Steeleye Span but you're in the MJQ. But have a go!

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