# Two equal E notes on guitar

I was having a thought at why does E on 1st open string and E on the 2nd string, 5th fret have a different timbre or colour if you like? While them both being a single E in one octave while establishing a an interval they are not alike in colour.

I was also wondering whether a chord such as E with two open Es and two Es, one of which is on 5th string, 7th fret and the other on 2nd string 5th fret with G and B have basically only 4 notes instead of 6, because the upper two are one note and the lower two are one note.

• The second part isn't making a lot of sense!
– Tim
Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 16:21

A plucked guitar string or any string for that matter will vibrate at some given frequencies. These frequencies will depend on the length of the string, the density, and the tension. The string is held in place at the ends by the instrument, so here the amplitude is zero. All waves that end up having zero amplitude at the fixed ends are valid harmonics. See picture from Wikipedia below:

The first harmonic is normally the loudest one, which we would tend to identify as the tone/note played. Then we have the next harmonic with double frequency, the third with three times the frequency, and so on. So the harmonics or overtones are integer multiple of the first tone.

The characteristics of the string will determine the strength of each harmonic, and the rate at which each harmonic will decay. The string tension, length, and thickness are probably the three most important factors, but the material type, and other things play a role too. The instrument body will also affect the strength of each harmonic and add some resonance. The harmonics are the reason you can hear a difference between a piano string, a guitar string, a bass string, and so on. They work on the same principles, but the combination of harmonics is what sets them apart. On a guitar the same principles will determine how a note will sound depending on where on the fretboard it is played.

Voicing a chord with a note presented twice on different strings is no problem, if you think it gives the right feel and sounds good. That is probably a question of artistic freedom :)

• This is true as far as it goes, but it leaves out an important factor of timbre: it's not just harmonic content that makes a guitar string sound different from a piano string, it's the starting transients, the "chuff" made at the beginning of the tone. Commented Feb 19, 2017 at 21:34

Open strings will always sound different from fretted notes. Another reason is that the string gauges are different and that affects the timbre, too. There are many different places to play that exact same note on a guitar (many more than 6, including various harmonics!) and each will sound different.

• I know, but why? How does this happen? Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 16:28
• Different thicknesses, and lengths of strings move slightly different amounts of air; have slightly different decay times; produce slightly different proportions of harmonics, etc., etc.
– Tim
Commented Feb 16, 2017 at 17:00
• @SovereignSun Every physical aspect of any instrument affects the tone colour and other qualities.
– yo'
Commented Feb 19, 2017 at 21:49

In addition to the answers already given, the main reason (I would say) that the open (top) E string sounds different than the same tone fretted on the second string is that the acoustical end of the top open string is more rigidly held by the nut than the end of the second string, which is pressed down behind the fret by the finger. This makes the sound of the fretted note relatively more damped, and it will also decay faster.

• Is this a good reason to have a zero fret? I like zero frets!
– Tim
Commented Jun 28, 2020 at 9:50