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I've been up until now just practicing triads on all major/minor keys. If I wanted to play jazz do I just add sevenths (ie dominant7, major7, minor7) to chords in my chord progressions or is it alot more involved than that? (I'm guessing it is).

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    Have a look through real and fake books for some clues. – Tim Apr 27 '18 at 14:15
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    Side note: It will be very interesting to work on learning jazz while also refusing to read music. – Todd Wilcox Apr 27 '18 at 14:52
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    I'm so tempted to say, "play any three notes with one hand & any other three notes with the other. Call the lowest the root. That's jazz" :P [Understanding what you did, is however, an entirely different matter] – Tetsujin Apr 27 '18 at 16:03
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    @Tetsujin isn't the fact you don't understand what makes it jazz? – topo Reinstate Monica Apr 27 '18 at 16:20
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    If you add a 7th to every chord from Kanye West's "Famous", you get "Rhapsody in Blue". – Eric Duminil Apr 27 '18 at 18:28
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Jazz is an unbelievably expansive genre with over 100 years of musical tradition; a big part of this tradition is an ever-increasing list of sub-genres that fall under the larger umbrella term of "jazz."

Your "(I'm guessing it is)" is encouraging; it suggests you realize it's maybe a little silly to think you can mimic such a broad tradition by "just randomly add[ing] sevenths." It's a bit like asking if we can mimic Classical music by "just randomly adding cellos."


But more than that, you've unintentionally simplified jazz to just one musical feature: harmony.

The jazz genre includes particularities of rhythm, of meter, of instrumentation and voicing, of articulation, of interpretation, of phrasing, you name it. And included in that list, yes, is harmony.

Suggesting that you can play jazz just by adding sevenths suggests that the only thing that makes jazz jazz is harmony, which is clearly not the case. Playing jazz requires an awareness (and eventually mastery) of everything that makes jazz jazz, not just this one feature.

In other words, playing jazz takes quite a bit more than adding sevenths. All great things take time and patience, and jazz is no exception.


If you're asking about first steps in jazz piano, most people would suggest, as you've intuited, learning your ii7–V7–I7 pattern in all major and minor keys; doing so will teach you quick resolutions of minor sevenths, dominant sevenths, and half-diminished sevenths built on all twelve chromatic pitches.

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    “bit like asking if we can mimic Classical music by "just randomly adding cellos."” – oh, there are people who believe this... – leftaroundabout Apr 27 '18 at 15:31
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    ...mind though, this kind of ignorant attitude isn't necessarily a completely bad thing. Classical composers horribly trivialized middle-eastern music with compositions like the Ronda Alla Turca. Jazz musicians themselves often totally missed the essence of other genres, with pieces like the Flamenco Sketches. But in each case, the results were nevertheless interesting. – leftaroundabout Apr 27 '18 at 15:38
  • You can get "classical" styling without cellos: just add parallel thirds and neighboring tones! youtube.com/watch?v=xjlgUx7_aN0 – Kyle Strand Apr 27 '18 at 18:53
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    I thought classical was based on Random Adds of Senseless Violins? – microtherion Apr 27 '18 at 19:57
  • You ruined my life – PaulD Jan 4 at 21:32
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Ninths are good too! Even thirteenths.

Yes, there's more to jazz than extended chords, though you'll certainly need more than triads to play it, so start learning m7, maj7, 9, b9 etc. chords so they're ready for when you work out what jazz IS.

And that's a big question. Start with a New Orleans Blues, travel to Miles Davis and beyond... But whatever style you choose to explore first, yes you'll need some 7th chords.

If you're really into rock/pop and just want a quick, easy jazz flavour, slip in a 'b5 substitution'. In place of Dm7, G7, C impress your friends with Dm7, Db7, Cmaj7. But again, yes you'll need a vocabulary of 7th chords to even start this.

But don't try to enter the world of jazz through the 'theory'. Get some jazz sheets and learn the chords you need to play them.

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    if I keep going with 7,9,11,13,15,17,etc I noticed that it eventually hits all the notes in my scale. – foreyez Apr 27 '18 at 17:39
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    And if you go all the way round the 'cycle of 5ths' you hit all the notes in EVERY scale! Which is not as useful a piece of information as it might sound! – Laurence Payne Apr 27 '18 at 17:42
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    yes but we're talking about harmony... so I need to eventually stop at a certain number or it might sound messy? – foreyez Apr 27 '18 at 17:45
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    Absolutely. And you don't generally stay 'in scale'. C7 chord is the C triad plus Bb, not plus the 'in-scale' B natural. When there's an 11th, it's generally the #11. Look - don't try to do this in a theory-based way. Get some jazz music and learn to play it. – Laurence Payne Apr 27 '18 at 17:50
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If you are trying to move towards learning jazz, you should learn your 7th chords (esp. dominant, major, and minor). After you get the hang of these, you can learn less common 7ths as well as extended chords out to 9/11/13. If you are not too familiar with jazz, the most important thing you can do is to listen to a lot of good music in this genre.

To keep things simple, I would suggest starting with blues. It is technically its own genre of music, but the form is simpler and the harmony tends to be less complicated.

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If I wanted to play jazz do I just add sevenths (ie dominant7, major7, minor7) to chords in my chord progressions or is it alot more involved than that? (I'm guessing it is).

This very abbreviated list should help you answer this question:

  1. The Jazz Language: A Theory Text for Jazz Composition and Improvisation
  2. Jazz Theory Resources: Volume 1
  3. Jazzology: The Encyclopedia of Jazz Theory for All Musicians
  4. Fundamental Changes in Jazz Guitar: An In Depth Study of Major ii V I Bebop Soloing: Master Jazz Guitar Soloing
  5. The Jazz Theory Book

@Richard's answer explains why these books were written and are popular, as well as numerous others.


Another very easy way to answer your question: Look through a book like this, and see how well you do *by just adding sevenths (ie dominant7, major7, minor7) to the chords instead of the suggested chords, which often include far more than just 7th chords. * :

The Hal Leonard Real Jazz Standards Fake Book: C Edition

  • Having ploughed my way, misreably, through the top of your list, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Seasoned jazzers who can reason their way through it wouldn't need it, and beginners are just mystified by quite a few of the statements contained within. (See questions raised!). – Tim Dec 31 '18 at 10:07
  • @Tim - Granted - the book is rife with errors and/or the author just didn't care about spelling correctly and pure theoretical accuracy - was more interested just in getting the concepts out there, which he did. I wasn't a 'seasoned jazzer' when I read it (and I'm probably not one now either...) but as long as I ignored the spelling errors, I got a lot out of the book because it goes into the real time usage of various modes and scales in a way that I have not found in any other book. I first read it about 3 years ago and I still go back to it from time to time. – Stinkfoot Jan 4 at 18:29
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    I go back to it only to find more schoolboy errors! Bert Ligon knocks the socks off it. Jazz Theory Resources. Should be top of the list. – Tim Jan 4 at 18:54
  • @Tim Agree about Ligon - I found his books a while back. THE BEST - no question about it. But he is deep and lengthy. Levine's advantage is that he's concise and very pragmatic. I wanted to review melodic minor modes and harmony - spent an hour with Levine, that was enough. – Stinkfoot Jan 4 at 18:56
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    Wish I'd known before i forked out for the other(s)! The 'Jazz Piano Book' lies unopened after several years... Guess why... – Tim Jan 4 at 18:59
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When I was playing rhythm guitar in a swing band there were many times when I would only play root, third and fifth of a chord as the horns were (many times) covering the 'weird' notes. So, in chording for jazz you don't always need the 7th and beyond.

As Richard stated above - there is much more to playing jazz (or other genres) than just the chord patterns chosen. There is much to explore. That's what is so wonderful about learning and playing music - there is always something new to learn. I've had classical and jazz guitar lessons. Played bass (with no training) in a rock band. I now play acoustic and electric guitar at church doing praise & worship stuff and also play mandolin and guitar in a bluegrass band. I'm continually learning new stuff as that's what keeps me interested (I do the same in my day job as a software geek).

Happy playing.

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    The usual advice is to include the 3rd and 7th as essentials when 'comping'. But, behind a soloist, I'll often avoid the 3rd of major chords. That's a note that soloists often bend or suspend. And don't forget the possibility of a #5 or b5 chord! – Laurence Payne Apr 27 '18 at 21:23
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There are different types of sevenths. Let us take the key of C Major as there are no sharps or flats.

C to B is a major 7th. C to Bb is a minor 7th and C to Bbb or A is a diminished 7th. Now as C to A is also a 6th (Count C to A,include the C) a little education on scales and intervals (the difference in two different sounds) will help you to appreciate how it works and increase your enjoyment.

  • This does not answer the question. – Stinkfoot Jan 4 at 18:36

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