I've heard of lots of famous musicians doing this, for example Ariel Camacho. And their guitars never break. I'm wondering if I added pairs of strings and removed the last low-E string, would it break?

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All strings on a guitar are at approximately the same tension, +/- 15% ish. The fact that you put, say, an extra ordinary A string in place of the octave A won't make much difference, as the octave string is much smaller gauge but is also tuned up an octave, so will end up with about the same tension as its partner. Look up 'string tension' and you'll find exact figures for given open string gauges tuned to standard.

There isn't much point in leaving off the last bottom E, in fact, that may cause imbalance in the neck, due to everything else being pretty well the same tension as original, but less so on the topside of the neck.

A potential problem may be the nut slots. A bonus may be the intonation is more accurate!

That apart, you say loads of folk have done it, so the only other criterion is will your guitar take it. That, we cannot vouch for here.

  • "will your guitar take it." Unfortunately, the answer to this is "there's one sure way to find out."
    – user33337
    Commented May 15, 2018 at 14:09
  • I agree with your statement about potential tension imbalance if you leave off one of the low E strings. But read the answer I just posted describing the problem that might be encountered with a unison tuned pair of same diameter low e strings and see if you agree. Commented May 16, 2018 at 16:00
  • @RockinCowboy - good thought about vibrating into each other. A change of nut should sort it, particularly for the lower three pairs, but actual dimensions I can't help with. No 12 strings available right now! However, it's only that half so measuring the amount the, say, E string moves at 12th fret would be a good guide to where the other of the pair would live. I recommend the lightest strings regardless..! If it stays a problem, there's always a sort of Nashville tuning variation, maybe leaving the octave 6 in place. It won't make that much difference to the strummed sound.
    – Tim
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 16:13
  • my concern would be that the neck would bow a little - you'd need to add truss rod tension Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 8:20

Tim is correct about the tension. As long as you tune each pair of strings in unison vs octaves, you will not alter the overall tension significantly by using pairs of strings that are each the same gauge.

My concern would be the string spacing and the nut slot. A standard 12 string guitar will have the nut slot cut for a pair of strings of different diameter (to be tuned an octave apart) for all but the two highest strings (pair of high e strings and pair of b strings which are to be tuned in unison vs octaves).

So for the pair in the Low E position the nut would have one slot sized for a standard low E string paired with a narrower nut slot for the lower diameter octave E string that would be part of a standard 12 string set.

12 string nut Pictured is a standard 12 string guitar at the nut.

Two issues will likely arise if you tried to put two standard low E strings on a 12 string guitar with a standard 12 string nut. First, the nut slot meant for the octave string would be too narrow for the standard low e string.

Certainly you could file the nut slot and make it wider. But here is the second problem that I believe you might encounter. The larger diameter wound strings such as the Low E, have a wider oscillation pattern than the smaller diameter strings (the arc of the vibration). That is the reason the bridge on a guitar is higher on the bass side. The bass strings must sit higher off the fretboard than the treble strings to accommodate the greater amount of string oscillation or you would encounter fret buzz.

So if you put two low E strings too close to one another, I would expect that they would hit each other when strummed or plucked at the same time. If you put them too far apart, you will need really fat fingertips to press them both down at the same time if you were playing for example, a standard open G chord formation fretting both the Low E pair and the A pair.

That might be why you were thinking of using only one low E string. But you might have a similar issue with the next pair of bass strings (the A position).

It's possible that you might need to have a qualified guitar tech or luthier make you a custom nut slot to provide for both the width of the slots for your unison bass strings and adjust the spacing on the pairs of unison bass strings to find the point where they don't buzz against one another but are still close enough together to fret them both with one fingertip.

That said, you would want to be sure to start with a guitar that had at least a 1 7/8" wide nut so you would have room for a slightly wider string spacing. Some 12 string guitars have a narrower 1 3/4" nut.

FWIW Ariel Camacho reportedly used a Takamine P3DC 12 string (part of Takamines "Pro Series"). But any 12 string with a 1 7/8" nut should be adaptable to your desire to use two pairs of standard strings instead of a standard 12 string set.

I would recommend using the lightest gauge standard strings you can find to minimize the occurrence of the unison bass strings buzzing against each other and reduce the spacing that might be necessary to avoid it.

Good luck.


What could also work is: use an A string as a second low E string, a D string for a second low A string etc etc. The strings are thus less tense and this could reduce the probability of damaging the guitar.

What I also did is tune the guitar down a whole step or even a minor third.

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