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Because we use equal temperament tuning as opposed to pythagorean tuning or just tuning are two enharmonic notes aka G1 and G2 or C5 and C4 really the same note? or is one them off by a few hertz or more than a few hertz? And would that be why I can't hear an octave? and why that two notes such as C4 and C5 or E4 and E2 sound like garbage to me when played together?

  • On pianos with stretched tuning, the E2 and E4 are probably oh-so-close to but not quite the same note 2 octaves apart. – Dekkadeci Jun 12 '18 at 0:42
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'Enharmonic' is not the word you are looking for. From the ever-reliable Wikipedia:

[An] enharmonic equivalent is a note, interval, or key signature that is equivalent to some other note, interval, or key signature but "spelled", or named differently

Octaves are not enharmonic. They are not the same note. However, they do have a special relationship; a jump of an octave represents a doubling (or halving) of frequency.

I assume you probably know this already, just clearing up some terminology.

To your actual question; Equal temperament is defined to preserve the octave relationship. It's not a universal property of every tuning system, but it's pretty common.

So no, if the octaves are in tune, then they should have the correct relationship, and not be off by any hertz. This may not be the case in the real world, particularly if junior concert bands or bagpipes are involved.

You may not enjoy the sound of pure octaves; it's fairly sterile. But they should not be out of tune.

Now, all of that being said, pianos (and other similar instruments) are tuned using something called Stretched Tuning. As a result, the octaves are not exact doublings of frequency. But I don't think you'd say they are out of tune. In fact, this is intended to make the piano sound more in tune. Some digital pianos emulate stretched tuning; some do not.

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    To clear up any doubt, the octaves played on the chanter of a bagpipe (the part that plays the tune) are intentionally not pure. Of course the octave between two of the drone pipes should be pure if the drones are tuned properly (but a subset of pipers take the view that "I distinctly remember tuning the drones back in 1987, so why do I need to do it again now?") – user19146 Jun 12 '18 at 15:53
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The hearing physiology is completely different from the sound generation acoustics. And it is less well understood. But some discrepancies between acoustics in instruments and the psychoacoustics have been described. One of the most obvious things is that the spectrum of the sound has a greater influency on musical harmony than the harmonic series from mathematics. Both are weakly linked together. Steady nonmoving fusing sounds tend to have a harmonic spectrum, while timbres with inharmonic spectra tend to have some instability or vibrating component in the timbre.

So when your octave sounds bad, it may be that the octave is not really an octave, or it may be that your timbre has a component which dissonates with the octave of another component. This is often the case with instruments that have a multidimensional geometry like Glockenspiel, Drums, Xylophones etc. Tubes and Strings are mainly one-dimensional while they do not necessarily have a perfect harmonic spectrum due to friction, stiffness or because the different waves extend more or less over the instrument geometry.

Actually, without knowing your particular sound, nobody can really anwer your question.

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Octaves are the only interval that is perfectly tune in equal temperament.

When you say an octave "sounds like garbage" to you, it's unclear what you mean. If you mean that it doesn't sound particularly interesting then I agree, that's the whole point, octaves are so harmonious that they disappear, two notes played together in octaves simply blend together. If you mean that it sounds unpleasant, then whatever instrument you're using is probably out of tune which is why you're hearing a clash.

Here is a short audio recording demonstration of what octaves sound like together, and then contrasting with an out of tune octave:

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1jNwyc6Yrmw

  • I was using an electronic keyboard which should be 100% in tune – Macmanmatty Jun 16 '18 at 12:19
  • so what did you think of the octaves I played in the example, did they sound bad to you?? – Some_Guy Jun 17 '18 at 20:43
  • yes they sounded kinda of bad when play together – Macmanmatty Sep 2 '18 at 17:56
  • @Macmanmatty Just the out of tune ones at the end? Or the scale played in tune in octaves at the beginning too? – Some_Guy Sep 2 '18 at 19:37
  • the scale played in octaves sounds bad too. but not as bad. If I play scales with another note 90% of the time it is the 3rd or the 5th I play with the other note. – Macmanmatty Sep 3 '18 at 20:11

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