I'm wondering if the diminished diatonic chord (iio) in the minor scale functions as it does in the major scale, where it's not used as often as the other six diatonic chords?

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    We gotta be careful about what counts as ii° or ii°7. I've seen vii°7 mislabeled as ii°7 so many times (they share the exact same notes in 12-TET, but only vii°7 can cleanly resolve to i).
    – Dekkadeci
    Jul 1, 2018 at 6:28

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Yes it is used. Depending on what period of music you want to talk about, it's more or less common. For example, in classical pieces you wouldn't see VII that much and when it's used it's not functioning as VII, but as a point of modulation to the relative major. v is also rare as typically V is used instead to make use of the leading tone.

In general when talking about harmony the more relevant question is not how often a chord is used, but how is it used as part of a progression so the rest of this answer will focus on that.

In classical music, you may see it as a predominant used to add extra tension. When it's used you'll typically see it in first inversion to keep a tension out of the bass so you may see the progression ii6 - V7 - i. A very similar progression that takes this to the next level with chromatizim is using the Neopalitan chord which is the same progression with the root of ii lowered. This would be analyzed as N6 - V7 - i.

In jazz ii7 - V7 - IMaj7 is pretty common, when the key is minor iiø - V7 - IMaj7 (Dø G7 Cmaj7) is also common. You may also see it as part of a tritone subsititution like iiø - tt - IMaj7 (Dø Db7 Cmaj7).

In today's popular music you won't see iio, but you will see ii a lot in minor keys especially in genres that use power chords like metal and punk. When you do see as a diminished chord (or power chord with lowered 5th) it's typically heading to i or III and just used in passing.

This answer does not touch on the full scope of minor harmony. I highly recommend you go over the questions on the site that are geared toward that so you can start understanding minor harmony better.

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    Note also that when a diminished chord IS used, it very often won't be diatonic
    – Laurence
    Jul 14, 2019 at 16:48
  • Really? In modern popular music ii° in minor keys is rare? I don't think that's true. I've seen ii° or iiø7 being used in minor-key pop songs quite often. And I don't think I have ever seen a minor ii chord being ussd in a minor-key pop song. The vii° or viiø7 in major keys is less common, though, but still not nonexistent.
    – user71438
    Aug 16, 2020 at 4:26
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    @KotoriMinami Rock and metal rock songs tend to use ii in power chord form over any kind of diminished. The progressions tend also to be less functional so the ii chord being diminished makes it harder to fit in with that typical style. Not that it does not happen, just you'll see ii more minor than diminished likewise you are more likely to see v in rock an metal songs over V.
    – Dom
    Aug 16, 2020 at 4:40
  • Well in pop songs I've seen progressions like i-iv7-VII7-IIImaj7-VImaj7-iiø7-V7-i quite often, such as Orange Caramel's A-ing, which is a K-Pop song in B minor. The first 8 bars go Bm-Em7-A7-Dmaj7-Gmaj7-C#m7b5-F#.
    – user71438
    Aug 16, 2020 at 4:51