I like the type of music which gives me determination and this "I can do it." feeling and I noticed that every one of this type of music has the same "structure" or "pitch movement".

I don't talk about harmony or melody because they uses different chords and the melodies are not the same but again...they are just so close to each other.

It's more like chord "movement directions" rather than certain chord progression like if we choose chords in the certain pitch increasing - decreasing order, then the chord progression with the proper rhytm will give that specific stirring feel.

For example thees songs (I linked the stirring part):

In theese moments of the songs the pattern is almost the same. Like "up - up - down a little bit - up a little - down a little - down - down - tonal - ...repeat..."

I hope I wrote it correctly...

So does this mean that practically anyone with some idea of melodies can come up with any kind of music if he / she analyze the pattern and the "proper" rhytms precisely enough?

I experiment a little bit with this "structure" and my chord progression gave a similar stirring feel. I even compose some stirring choir music in my head during a walk and I think the structure was similar there too...

I noticed that this "pattern-sharing between songs" is true for other type of musics, although I feel it in this type the most.

Are there books or "common methods" aiming at this type of "learning". Did the big classical composers the same? Taking structures from other composers' works?

I've read as many m. theory as many I could in my freetime recently and I didn't find sources talking about this. They were just like "D minor is sad because...", "most pop songs use these chord progressions"...etc.

Maybe it's just some "higher m. theory knowledge" which is far away from the "how to read sheet flawlessly", "what mood the specific scale represents" stuff.

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  • I can definitely relate the feeling you describe. Your question is based on the premise that certain musical structures are responsible for eliciting particular emotions. But in general, emotional reactions are not universal--they are subjective and depend on one's experiences (within society, within personal relationships, etc.). I think some of the close votes are because of that subjectivity. To someone who has a different emotional reaction that you and me, the question is unanswerable and doesn't really make sense. – jdjazz Nov 28 '18 at 3:23
  • In the same vein, the title of your question might benefit from an edit because it seems to be asking something that's supposed to be very objective. Additionally, you've acknowledged that the songs aren't the same in some very important musical ways: melody and chords. There really are one or two specific similarities at play--most notably the feeling the songs evoke in you. (And it might be hard for others to identify the specific elements that make you feel the way that you feel.) – jdjazz Nov 28 '18 at 3:31
  • As a separate matter, I think it might be beneficial to narrow the question. Your title asks (1) if the songs are the same. The body asks (2) if books/methods exist which teach music composition by attaching evoked feelings to broad musical techniques and (3) if famous historical composers created music by borrowing structures from other composers. I think you can scratch question #1 (in the title) without losing anything. You've already got opinions about ways in which the songs are similar. – jdjazz Nov 28 '18 at 3:34
  • As a totally separate matter, I thought I'd point out that all of the songs you've included have strings. Maybe that's an important element of the feelings you experience. Perhaps one way to test this is to find a song that matches your 'up-up-etc.' structure but doesn't have strings. Then see if you feel the same way. – jdjazz Nov 28 '18 at 3:37
  • Thanks. It's good the see there are others who can relate to this. The strings can be a good point...like I hear piano in sad songs a lot, string can be a good "driver" for this feeling if used correctly. – atanii Nov 28 '18 at 9:27

I suggest you give it a go at studying Music Semiology, it's the music equivalent of semiotics.

Secondly, I suggest you actuallhy analyse these musics, try to learn and write the harmony and melody of these musics and compare, especially the specific moments you feel specific emotions, a 6th degree on a harmony gives a different feeling than a 7th, and the actual structure of the chord also provokes different feelings. Even though the emotion itself is relative to your personal experiences, the fact that you feel the same emotion hearing two similar songs could maybe be studied.

If you want any examples on how to analyse the musics, take a look at Youtube channels like 8-bit Music Theory (that's my personal favorite, but maybe you can find some other).

  • Music Semiology is new thing to me. I don't find much about it, but the youtube channel you recommended was a perfect idea, I just love it! – atanii Dec 1 '18 at 17:46
  • yeah, I even asked some music teacher and he said it was a really obscure thing to study. There's another channel named 12tone which does pop music analysis and musical theory tutorials in general, I recommend it too – Theodor3gabriel Dec 3 '18 at 14:01

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