I was wondering how the locations of the passagi are to be located when their place depends seemingly quite heavily upon larynx height, time of day and especially volume sung!

For example, I know that I have a pretty consistent comfortable F♯4-B♭4 in what feels to me like full M1, no attempt to mix made--but if my second passagio were really this high I'd have a ridiculously high voice, which I don't. I talk around the high 2nd octave and can sing a pretty loud A2--if Pavarotti's passagio is at F♯4 then why is his voice still so "full" and chesty up to B4 and even C5, it just doesn't add up...should I feel like I'm pushing up to a high C to get that big sound or should I feel like I'm letting my voice kind of relax into a strengthened falsetto? So many questions..

By the way, any help with my own fach based on this info would be handy as I'm a noob to the world of technical singing:... Age 17
Lowest possible chest Eb2
Lowest strong chest A2
Highest clean sound in chest ~B♭4 but can "extend" in a kind of Freddie Mercury esque full and belted but rough tone up to E5.. and by that I mean BTEC Freddie Mercury if that wasn't obvious.

I guess falsetto doesn't really have anything to do with fach but if it helps, I'm pretty happy singing nicely up to G5 or stretching to C6.

Anyway I know that's a lot of info so anyone who read all this and wants to share their expertise is awesome :)

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    One clue I observed is, we can sing full without falsetto through passagio if we have smooth sustained air flow in exhale, try hitting those notes in the starting of the phrase(initial exhale), you will see the difference. – Bruce Nov 30 '18 at 4:23

Interesting point(s)... To answer, at very least, your first question: "I was wondering how the locations of the passagi are to be located"

The easiest way to do this is to simply sing along with the notes of a keyboard... This was how I was shown the same thing at an ACDA conference when I was singing in choirs as a kid.

Basically find the lowest note that you can sing without straining or changing your voice in any way (singing from your diaphragm,) then begin to ascend the keyboard chromatically; following the fingering with your voice. You will naturally find the Passaggio. Again, change nothing in your voice or body-posturing in order to compensate for the inevitable change in vocal register that will subsequently happen (it's almost a subconscious reaction to try to prevent the Passaggio.)

As long as you don't try to prevent it artificially/subconsciously, the Passaggi should stand out like a sore-thumb...

Online searches don't reveal much, or perhaps I'm just doing it wrong, but I did find this post as a justification:

Your body and mind will tell you when you've reached the first pitch in your primo passagio. It is the point where an untrained singer will either crack into falsetto or start yelling to go higher. Neither is correct of course. For the majority of male voices it is around D#3 but basses break around C3 (middle C)/C#3. I'm a fairly light tenor so my break is usually on the E. Voice type is based mainly on timbre and in classical music tessitura (the note range where you are strongest and most comfortable). So if you continue singing classical your fach is quite important as it will determine the classical repertoire you'll sing and the parts written for your fach if you will be singing Opera. But look at Placido Domingo. He was what his teacher called a lazy Baritone. He then "switched" if you will to Tenor. So anything is possible especially considering your experience level and age. Don't sweat it yet. Just study, learn, practice, explore your instrument and have fun with it.


Reflecting on this after the fact... try the keyboard exercises during different times of the day... and, at different volumes... Ignoring what I said before - change your body posture, try to prevent it artificially, try to force it... change your body posture again and then don't force it; do all of the unconventional things. You might change the game in doing so. (Just don't hurt yourself, physically ;)

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