# How many beats are in 6/8 time?

In 6/8 time, each measure contains six eighth notes. We are often told that therefore there are six beats in 6/8 time.

But when my band plays a piece in 6/8, the conductor counts in two. Also, the tempo is often denoted with a dotted quarter note next to it; and I once read an SE post (I don't remember where) claiming that 6/8 time does not mean six eighth notes, but rather two dotted quarters.

So are there really only two beats, or are there six?

There are two basic types of meter: simple meter, which divides beats naturally into two parts, and compound meter, which divides beats naturally into three parts.

Time signatures where the top number is a multiple of three, like 6/8, 9/8, 12/8, etc. are usually compound meter. The bottom number in a compound signature indicates the division of the beat.

If you write measures of 2/4 using all eighth note triplets you'll get the same rhythm as if you wrote measures of 6/8 using all eighth notes. Using a compound meter eliminates the need to write "3" over all the beams.

As far as conducting and counting goes, if it's fast it's done in two, and if it's slow it can be done in six.

"We are often told that therefore there are six beats in 6/8 time." Really? By who? Not someone who's got through an elementary music theory class.

The standard answer is 'two'. Most of the time when you see 6/8, the conductor will beat two in the bar.

4/4 has 4 beats. But sometimes, in a slow piece, the conductor may decide to beat it 'in 8'. In the same way, a slow 6/8 may be taken 'in 6'. But that basic 2 count will still be there.

Don't get sidetracked by 'America'. It shifts between 6/8 and 3/4. Modern music does this sort of thing a lot. A piece notated in 6/8 may constantly shift between 3+3 groupings and 2+2+2 groupings, beween 6/8 and 3/4. We don't always bother to keep changing key signatures.

'America' is often notated as 6/8 in a song copy. In the original score it was given as 6/8(3/4). (And no, none of us have encountered "Seis" anywhere else either! If you're interested, start at paragraph 32 of this: http://www.echo.ucla.edu/Volume2-Issue1/wells/wells.pdf)

There are two beats of dotted crotchets in 6/8 time, 6/8 is compound duple time with dotted crotchet beats.

TL;DR: 6/8 implies a measure of 6 eighth notes, by default grouped into two groups of three. How many "beats" you feel or how you count it can vary. To those of you who teach music: I don't really care how many "beats" you say are in 6/8, but please teach students the groupings of the eighth notes, not just "6 beats per bar." Otherwise, students won't feel the meter correctly, and it will lead to lots of confusion later.

The details...

A lot of questions appear on the nature of 6/8 in this forum. Specifically, this question of "2 beats" vs. "6 beats" seems to cause a lot of arguments and consternation among beginning music students.

And for good reason. Different teachers often have different opinions. I've seen lots of practical method textbooks written for instruments that introduce 6/8 as "6 beats per measure, where the eighth note gets the beat," whereas the majority of music theory textbooks introduce 6/8 as "compound duple time," implying a two-fold division with the word "duple." The first group generally starts yelling about how the 6 is obviously in the time signature, while the latter group shout back about the history of time signatures with 6, 9, and 12, and how they obviously indicate "compound" meters.

I have to admit, as someone who leans toward the latter view, that I sometimes cringe when I see 6/8 introduced in textbooks with the "6 beats" definition, as it's generally an unhelpful way to view the meter 95% of the time. And it doesn't get at the two-fold division implied by the 6/8 meter, which emphasizes the first and fourth eighth notes of the bar (even at slower tempos). But, there are times (maybe <5% of the time) when "6 beats" makes sense as a description. So, that view isn't "wrong" either.

It all has to do with the definition of a "beat." Which I'll come back to momentarily. But first, let's discuss why the answer to this question is ambiguous in the first place.

Let's start with something more basic. How about 4/4? How many "beats" are in a 4/4 bar? Most people will say "obviously" four. But the metric organization of a 4/4 bar is more complicated than that. In particular, there are stress accents implied: the strongest on the first beat, a secondary/medium stress on the third beat, and weaker beats on 2 and 4. Overall, a bar of 4/4 has a pattern of Strong-Weak-Medium-Weak stresses. From one perspective, there are 4 primary components here. But if we choose to focus on the more "stressed" beats, we might focus only on beats 1 and 3 (and in fast tempos, sometimes we might tap our feet or clap with only every other "beat" like that), i.e., two "beats" per bar. Or, in another sense, we could choose to feel only the strongest stresses, feeling that "downbeat" like the conductor's hand coming down only once per bar. These are all ways to "feel" the meter. We could even emphasize lesser levels of stress, particularly at a slow tempo. We might sense 8 pulses (STRONG-and-WEAK-and-MEDIUM-and-WEAK-and...) ticking away at the eighth-note level.

What I'm describing here is metric hierarchy. We often are taught to feel meter as a hierarchical pattern of levels of stresses, some stronger, some moderate, some weak. Depending on which level we hear or choose to emphasize, we may sense more or less important "beats" in a notated 4/4 bar.

The same goes for 6/8. For historical reasons, 6/8 implies stress on the first and fourth eighth notes of each bar. (STRONG-weak-weak-MEDIUM-weak-weak...) That's different from 3/4, which implies stress on the first, third, and fifth eighth notes. (STRONG-weak-MEDIUM-weak-MEDIUM-weak...) In both cases, we see groups of twos and groups of threes, just at different levels of the metric hierarchy. At a slow tempo, you might choose to follow both 6/8 and 3/4 at the eighth-note pulse level, but you'll hear different patterns of stressed notes.

All of this is great, but you may be saying by this point: "So which is the BEAT?!" And that's a really complicated question. Generally, in common English when we refer to "beat," we're referencing something that music theorists often call tactus, that is, the metric level where you might tap your foot, or the place you "feel the pulse."

And that's a difficult thing to predict. Different people may feel a different tactus for the same piece. (This is why you sometimes will see some members of a crowd clapping twice as fast as others as they're clapping along with music.) Psychological studies have shown that most people tend to prefer a tactus to fall in the range from about 40 beats per minute up to around 160 beats per minute, with the maximum salience of beats preferred around 100-110 bpm. In some extreme cases, people may feel a tactus down to around 30 bpm or up to around 240 bpm.

If you're hearing a piece in 4/4 played at a tempo of quarter note = 160, what determines whether you tap your foot at 160 bpm (the quarter note "beat" level) or perhaps at 80 bpm (at the half note level, a little closer to the "most comfortable" and preferred tactus range)? Or, to get back to our 6/8 question, why might one piece be notated and felt with a tempo of dotted-quarter = 50 bpm while another piece is notated and felt with an eighth-note = 150 bpm? Both are arguably at the "same tempo," but the "beat" may be felt quite differently.

A lot of it is influenced by style expectations, a sense of "groove" in popular styles, etc. It's rather difficult to predict from just looking at a piece on the page, regardless of its notated meter. Yet crowds often naturally will gravitate toward a particular preferred "beat."

Still, in the end, whatever level we choose to tap our feet or clap our hands to, there will be levels of divisions of 2 and/or 3 at higher and lower levels of meter. Our most common meters capture these different configurations of 2s and 3s: 6/8 has a two-fold division at a higher level and a three-fold division at a smaller metric level. 3/4 has a three-fold division at a higher level and a two-fold division at a lower level. 2/4 and 4/4 have two-fold divisions generally for at least two levels. 9/8 implies a three-fold division at two levels.

Note that the default division at each level is two-fold in modern rhythmic notation (unless triplets are written). Historically, there could be three-fold division at even more levels, though it was rare. (On a couple occasions, I have seen a 27/16 or 27/8 time signature, denoting a three-fold division on three consecutive levels. But that's quite complicated to notate effectively in modern rhythmic notation, which is why we resort to triplets.)

But again, note that all of these written meters don't necessarily indicate where you should "feel the beat," i.e., where you tap your foot. That's a matter of tempo and musical style, not the time signature.

So, to go back to the original question of 6/8 -- in something like 95% of cases, the tactus ("beat") is meant to be felt at the dotted-quarter level, with two primary "beats" per measure. However, particularly at very slow tempos, people may tap their feet or sense that the "primary pulse" of the meter is at the eighth-note level, implying six "beats" per measure. (In a piece in 6/8 with eighth-note = 60 bpm, very few people are going to be tapping their feet only once every 3 seconds at 20 bpm to accord with the dotted-quarter groupings.) But even in this latter case, those beats are still grouped into two groups of three eighths. The metric hierarchy levels are all still implied by the time signature, regardless of how you count the measure or at what level you "feel the beat."

In the end, I'd say one of the hardest things for beginning students to realize is that the score is NOT "the music." It is a blueprint to follow, not necessarily how you "feel" it (or conduct it or tap your foot to it or interpret it or dance to it). Modern time signatures are meant as a shorthand to show the relationships of the 2s and 3s of metric hierarchy, not necessarily as a way to tell you where to tap your foot or how many "beats" to feel per measure. Once you realize that, it doesn't matter how many "beats" are in the 6/8 bar. It's just a representation of specific metric level groupings... no matter which level you use to tap your foot or how the conductor swings a baton.

According to Dolmetsch, each measure contains a number of main beats—such as the three in 3/4, or the two in 6/8—which are each divided into inner beats. So a main beat in 3/4 time would contain two inner beats (assuming an eighth-note rhythm), while a main beat in 6/8 time would contain three, the eighth notes.

When a 6/8 piece is conducted in two, it's because the piece is very fast, and counting the eighths individually would be infeasible; beats 1 and 4 are the strongest, so it's usually reduced to those two.

However, some 6/8 sections can be counted in three, if your composer or conductor specifies it. 6/8 can even be counted in six, if the piece is really slow.

So whether 6/8 time contains two or six beats is a matter of context.

• I've never seen 6/8 conducted in three, and I've played in 3 school concert bands and watched some orchestras on top of that. I've only ever seen 6/8 conducted in six or two. Mar 4, 2019 at 7:50
• @Dekkadeci One of the pieces my class is playing is in 7/8 based on Afghani music, and switches between a lot of meters. A large section of it is in 6/8 and my conductor frequently switches between 2+2+2/8 and 3+3/8. Mar 4, 2019 at 12:50
• 6/8 always has 2 beats. Mar 4, 2019 at 13:18
• It must be a quirk of our piece's meter, then, because my conductor explicitly indicated that she'd count some sections in three. Mar 4, 2019 at 14:05
• @Dekkadeci At various times I've seen 6/8 conducted in one, two, three, six and twelve. Of course two and six are by far the most common Mar 4, 2019 at 16:35

6/8 time is 2 dotted crotchets in a bar. The confusion where there are 6 beats, is because there are six pulses; which are the quavers.

I am firmly in the Compound Duple camp when it comes to 6/8 etc, however as a conductor and music teacher I have come across some 'modern' music where the time signature 6/8 has been taken quite literally as 6 8ths. That is normally when the time signature is varying between numbers of 8th notes in a sequence of bars such as 4/8; 5/8; 4/8; 6/8; 4/8 etc. The clarity comes first when you view how the 8th's have been grouped within the bar and second when you try out the music in different ways. In these cases the composer has chosen to stick with a time signature that emphasizes the continuity of the 8th note. A piano piece by Darius Brubeck called Tugela Rail perfectly illustrates this albeit it is 5/4; 6/4 instead of 8ths. 6/4 is also compound duple but in this case is written as if in 3/2. The sentiment remains the same.

It all depends on the tempo. If it's fairly slow then it's natural to count six beats in a measure. If the tempo is faster then two beats is much easier. If the tempo is really fast a conductor might only give one beat per bar, and if it's really slow a conductor might even subdivide the eights and conduct in twelve.

If the 6/8 measure is mixed with other time signatures it sometimes makes more sense for the conductor to give three beats. I've even seen "America" from "West Side Story" which has alternating 6/8 and 3/4 bars, conducted all the way through in three. (Not that I think that's a good idea)