I have read this paragraph a couple of times, but I haven't really had a light bulb moment.

My interpretation is that the upper example wants one to play

In bar 1: four beats of ones own choosing

bar 2: the specific notes and rests as explicitly written

bar 3: a whole note

In the Lower example Four quarter beats per bar.

I am looking for a bit of help on this one. The wording itself has threw me a little bit.

Kind thanks,


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  • One small comment no body else mentioned. Bar three, that whole note is tied to the last eight of bar two so it is held. Probably play a crash on the & of 4 and let it ring over the 3rd bar. – b3ko Jun 10 at 11:44
  • @b3ko Nobody mentioned it, because it's clear from the music. – PiedPiper Jun 10 at 11:53
  • PLease post the source (book, or web page,...) so that people can see more context – Carl Witthoft Jun 10 at 12:35
  • @b3ko - I mentioned it as a 'pushed' note. – Tim Jun 10 at 14:26
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    @PiedPiper clear to you but OP says in the question: “bar 3: a whole note“ so I wanted to mention it. That may not be obvious to everyone just because it’s obvious to you. – b3ko Jun 10 at 15:41

Your interpretation of the first example is good.
The second example should be played exactly like the first one. It's just notated differently.

Both examples are badly notated: the Bb7 should be over the last eight note in the bar before.


It's not crystal clear! in the top example, I'd be playing kick on 1,2,3 and 4, while bass plays four A notes - or possibly A C E G. Second bar is syncopated,so kick and probably cymbal (maybe choked on notes 1 and 2) on all three notes, but bass would play A, A B♭ - the last 'pushed'.

The second is ambiguous! Perhaps the writer wants the bass and drums not to be ensemble, but play as two separate entities. It certainly could have been written more clearly.

  • I know it's not part of the question (and I am not the original poster either), but does the diamond shape in the first example denote a natural harmonic? I am not very familiar with guitar notation. – Pyromonk Jul 6 at 11:57
  • @Pyromonk - no. simply because Bb isn't a natural harmonic! But also because it represents a full bar note - a semibreve or four beat note. Usally oval, but as this is rhythm notation, it's diamond shaped. – Tim Jul 6 at 12:16
  • Thank you, Tim, you are very helpful, as always! – Pyromonk Jul 6 at 13:16

No, the explanation is not clear.

The 'four in the bar' slashes tell you to 'play time'. Basically do what a rhythm section DOES, in a suitable style for the piece.

The explicit rhythms in bars 2 and 3 of the first example tell you to play exactly those rhythms, and nothing else.

The second example tells the rhythm section to continue playing time, but adds information regarding what the 'front line' will be playing. A drummer will typically support these rhythms with cymbal hits, while maintaining the basic groove. Bass player would probably continue the basic groove. But it's always good to know what's going on in the rest of the band!

Yes, it's musical shorthand. If complete control was desired, the arranger would have used full notation.

  • That, or the arranger doesn't have much of a clue, or can't be bothered. – Tim Jun 10 at 11:05
  • That's a bit harsh @Tim. Both the examples illustrate standard practice in rhythm section parts. – Laurence Payne Jun 11 at 10:46
  • Yes a bit. But only a little. The point of writing anything out fr someone to follow is to produce someting as clear as possible. I didn't find this so, and obviously neither did the OP. I've seen stuff a lot less ambiguous. Unless the writer wanted to keep it vague, of course. – Tim Jun 11 at 11:12
  • OK, the OP was unfamaliar with this sort of notation But, in context, I find it clear. What else COULD it mean? The text descriptions are a mess though! – Laurence Payne Jun 11 at 11:23

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