I'm a drummer and recently moved into an apartment with high ceilings and hardwood floors. I have a Roland TD-4. I've been researching for ways to be able to practice quietly without disturbing my neighbors. I'm sure if I used all mesh heads that would be quieter than rubber heads. Also, a few mentioned creating a riser with tennis balls as legs to help deaden the noise. Is there anyway that I can play an electric set in an apartment without spending a ton on soundproofing?
2if you're using headphones, do your neighbors really complain? The dull thumps really make it through the walls that well?– Stephen HazelJan 31, 2013 at 16:48
1The issue is the amount of noise the drums create for my neighbors around me. They can easily hear the sound of a stick hitting a drum.– wwwuserJan 31, 2013 at 18:42
I placed my drums on small rectangles of carpet padding two layers deep. It seems to be doing the trick.– JosefJan 5, 2014 at 22:58
I tested the Yamaha DTX pads (silicone) recently and I would class them as the most quieter pads ; which give us, noise related : silicone (Yamaha DTX) < mesh (Roland PD(X)) < rubber.– JoeBillyFeb 17, 2014 at 17:28
Obviously, headphones are the very first thing to recommend if you aren't already using them. A good pair of noise-cancelling headphones works both ways; you can be thumpin' it at 95dB and nobody but you will hear it.
The sound produced by you hitting a rubber pad with a drumstick is a dull thunk, typically quieter than an ordinary conversation. If you have legitimate concerns about that noise getting through the walls into adjacent apartments, I would be taking them up with the landlord. If it's really a problem, you can hang a heavy curtain on the wall separating you from your nearest neighbor, perhaps leaving an air gap of an inch or two, and that should dampen the sound transfer through the walls considerably.
The bigger concern is typically the pedals; when you step on them, you are making a bigger thump with your foot than the beater or the cymbal triggers make, but all of that is combining on the hardwood floor to make it sound like you're pounding on the floor (which you are). The solution to that is pretty simple; invest in an 8x10' area rug with a nice thick pile (even a carpet remnant, with a layer between it and the hardwood to prevent marring, would work fine on a budget), and put your kit on that. This will isolate the kit from the floor, which is the main means of vibration transfer this setup would have that could irritate the neighbors. Understand that over time the pile will compact under the weight and pressure of the kit's feet. Carpet protectors will mitigate this but can also defeat the purpose; they have spikes designed to hold whatever's on the carpet off of it, by transferring the load under the pile to the subfloor, which is exactly what you don't want.
Not sure what city you live in but in my city, an apartment with walls good enough to stop the thunk-thunk of stick on rubber pad would be considered luxury and asking the landlord to invest in better soundproofing would be treated like a complaint that there is no jacuzzi. Never tried curtains, but I've tried mesh heads and pads and mesh heads are significantly quieter especially through walls. With meshes, silk-like fabric stretched over them to quieten them a notch further and carpet, it was nearly as quiet as the strings of an un-plugged electric guitar. Feb 2, 2013 at 15:43
Is anyone successfully practicing drums in their apartment with little to no noise heard through the walls, floor, or ceiling from these techniques? If there are any photos or proof that this will work I think it would be helpful to everyone.– wwwuserFeb 3, 2013 at 1:47
@wwwuser I am successful but I clearly have thicker walls than you do. I use mesh heads on an acoustic kit and cymbal mutes. I plan to upgrade the cymbals to the Zildjian Gen-16 ones. Aside from that I have done nothing to prevent sound travel through the walls, since the walls are doing just fine as they are. I think you just need an apartment with thicker walls. Jul 30, 2015 at 15:06
Mesh should certainly be quieter, but to help save the sanity of your neighbours below, you will need to look at an isolated drum riser. Tennis balls could work, but more commonly you see neoprene pads as these do a very good job reducing transmission of vibrations.
Underneath that you could also use a square of carpet cut to the size of the riser as this will add another layer.
Are there specific neoprene pads that work best? This is new to me, so what should I be looking for in these pads?– wwwuserJan 31, 2013 at 18:40
1Half an inch to an inch thickness (before you put weight on it) seems to be normal. I don't think it is any special type of neoprene, it just acts like your tennis balls but is easier to place and control.– Doktor Mayhem ♦Jan 31, 2013 at 21:01
Sand. The Grateful Dead lined their space in sand, Moby encased his NY apartment in sand. If you are on the second floor, put your set on a sandbox. Line the walls with sand bags. It's cheap, portable, labor intensive, works great.
You'd probably get a kick out of this article, sums up the plight of the modern drummer well: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=22178
This is a good start for anyone who needs a sub-$30 drum riser solution:
I strongly recommend just buying a few tiles of "foam plywood sub-floor" (see link below). I bought 6 and stapled a cheap rug to them to prevent them from spreading apart. It acts as a great insulate drum riser, and has the added benefit of providing a uniform carpeted surface that pedals and stands won't move around on. I had many noise complaints before I built my studio, but the simple foam raised surface kept the neighbors at bay.
PS - it's interesting how much people complain about the noise of electronic drums, yet not about other instruments.
Mesh is quiter. I have a Roland TD-8 (all mesh drums) and have compared that to rubber pads.
The issue (which I also have) is twofold : The sound coming from the pad itself, and how much is transferred to the floor- which then transfers to adjacent rooms and of course to the room under you.
The rubber pad is a solid hit - quiet, but transfers the shock of the stick hitting the pad directly to the kits cage/stand (and so to the floor).
Mesh makes a MUCH better job of dispersing the shock, and the bounce comes from the elasticity in the mesh (like a real drum) so not only are they quieter, they feel much more like a drum.
Things to bear in mind :
- Cymbals: Also rubber (normally) so they transfer some shock to the cage and floor as well. Not as much as a pad as they're normally thinner and absorb more of the shock themselves.
- Bass drum pedal : Basically you're thumping your foot on the floor (that's what it amounts to) so having some kind of a drum riser is a good idea, although I managed to alleviate this problem a LOT by putting the drum pedal and pad (ie pedal and pad asssembly) on a pillow. It sounds like it should be horribly unstable but the pedal settles into the pillow after a short while and is quite playable. It was a bit ungainly though so I stopped that. I would think a drum riser with tennis balls as legs would work really well, and a much better solution - perhaps only for the pedals ? Or maybe easier for the whole thing. Maybe a Pallet would be best so that it doesn't become a soundboard in itself.
- Hi-hat pedal : If you tend to keep this pumping with the rhythm then this will need the same treatment as the bass drum pedal.
- Drum pads : Even if you choose mesh ones, the rims will be solid so if you're practicing rimshots (or just hit the rim accidentally, whcih happens a lot on smaller pads) then it's much the same issue as the rubber pads. I guess you could set them at an angle so you don't hit the rims though.
The actual sound of the kit is a secondary issue. Headphones are the obvious choice as other suggest or if you play through speakers you at least have a choice over the volume, and how much thump there is in the ovarall bass tones (the bit that travels).
My neighbour plays a 5 string guitar and has headphone/amps set up so half the time I don't even know he's having a play. You may need to investigate something like this.
1I think the OP is concerned about the thumping that the physical action of playing will make.– user28Jan 31, 2013 at 16:15
... which, like the actual noise of an electric guitar, is minimal.– KeithSJan 31, 2013 at 17:50
2@KeithS - I bet you've never lived downstairs from an apartment with hard floors. Gentle footsteps sound like a herd of buffalo.– slimJan 31, 2013 at 18:14
1@KeithS In this analogy I think banging something with a stick is the hard heels, and strumming a string is the bare feet.– user28Jan 31, 2013 at 21:36
3... which I reject; a stick on a rubber pad, on a suspension connected to a frame that rests on the ground on rubber feet, will transfer approximately as much vibration to adjoining rooms as if I were slamming my fist into my other hand while standing in the same spot. That is to say, none. The greater concern, IMO, is an action like pedals (kick/hat), where stepping on them will generate a shock on something resting very directly on the floor, and may also result in incidental impact of his foot with the floor.– KeithSJan 31, 2013 at 21:49