# Help with sixteenth tuplet with a 9 under

I have trouble understanding a sixteenth note tuplet with a 9 under it, as I have tried to count it as a triplet but it still doesn't fit in. People say that tuplets are in the space of 1 quarter note, but if this ninetuplet is a quarter note in a 4/4 time, then it will not go up in the needed spaces of notes. How can it land on the fourth beat?

• I'm not sure what you mean. Please provide an image of the sheet music in question so we get a full picture of what's going on. Mar 16, 2020 at 18:27
• Be aware, that tuplets come in lot of different varieties beyond three. Would a nine-let fit? Is it a known piece, where score is available somewhere? Mar 16, 2020 at 18:35
• I have inserted the picture of the tuplet i was talking about. It is in bar 265 and 267 Mar 16, 2020 at 18:38

Here's my best guess at what's going on: The last eighth note in the 9-tuplet is mistakenly formatted to look like it's in the tuplet when it shouldn't be. If that eighth note was normal size and detached from the tuplet, it would be the + of 3, leaving the previous 9 notes to fit evenly within 4 eighth notes, as you would expect. So the 9-tuplet just occupies the eighth notes that are bold here: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +.

• Thanks for the answer. I have another question. How does the 9-tuplet fit in 4 eight notes? Mar 16, 2020 at 19:04
• The idea with all tuplets is to fit the notes as evenly as possible into the space. So in this case, you want to play 9 notes evenly into the space of 8 sixteenth notes. It's as if the tempo increases slightly, immediately on the first note of the tuplet, just enough to make the notes fit, then instantly returns to the original tempo on the note after the tuplet. Playing tuplets accurately takes a lot of practice. How exactly precise the timing should be depends on the composer's intent, the style of music, how much improvisation is expected, etc. Mar 16, 2020 at 20:05
• Thanks a lot. I think my brain have expanded an inch from all this knowledge. Have a good day :D Mar 16, 2020 at 20:56
• @ZeHengLai Make that 5 eighth notes. :) The short answer is "loosely." Mar 28, 2020 at 1:07

Strictly speaking, your piece's nine "Little notes" are to fit into the space of two eighth notes, because that's what's not taken up by other notes in the measure. When you write the number like that, that's what you're saying, that those notes are to fit into that space so to speak. Here's another example:

In the third bar, you have 11 8th notes in the space given for six of them, and in the fourth bar, there are 22 8th notes in the space for 12 of them. So, if you will, they are almost 16th notes but not quite.

Now, these asymmetric runs aren't usually to be understood as having to be rigidly in tempo. You will usually take a little extra time to fit them all in, doing whatever sounds musical.

Here's Rubinstein playing the example above. Notice how he takes this run of notes starting slowly, picking up some, and slowing down at the end. If you listen carefully to the left hand, you can see that he isn't playing strictly to rhythm in this passage, but stopping here and there in places.

To go a little further afield, here's another example from Chopin's third Ballade:

You'll notice here that Chopin doesn't allow any time at all for the little notes; all the rest of the notes add up to six eighth notes. That means it's up to the performer to ad lib the way to put them in. Listening to how this performer does it is instructive, as will be listening to some other recordings for comparison. Everyone plays them a bit differently.

So, don't get too caught up in exactly where all those notes fit. They don't all need to be exactly 1/9 of five 8th notes. You can take a little more time, and you can make some notes a bit longer than others too. How you play them is a matter of feel; you have to strike a balance between conveying the structure of the music and expressing your musical feelings by "bending" that structure.