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Breath marks (related to caesurae) often appear in scores for woodwind instruments where it is acceptable to take a breath of air. They are placed in a passage where the phrasing will not be disrupted.

A breath mark will necessarily mean that the note preceding it will have to be played slightly shorter than denoted (much is the same way a grace note will steal some time from the note preceding it).

Breath marks are usually engraved with a comma like symbol placed above the staff.
Alternatively a tick mark like symbol (or even an up bow symbol) is sometimes used instead.

When a breath mark is optional (for a player with a greater lung capacity), the breath mark can be placed in parentheses.


This excerpt from a piece of music (for descant and treble recorders) has be written with both the tick type and the comma type symbols (for breath marks?):

Excerpt from "Dirge", showing tick type and the comma type symbols


Are these different symbols supposed to represent different types of breaths (perhaps one is longer than the other)?

Is the the comma representing something else? (perhaps a breath mark with a fermata/pause?)

Is something else going on?

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The comma is plainly called "breath mark" and is the most commonly used version in symphonic and vocal music.

The "tick" mark is called luftpause and is of German origin according to Oxford Music Dictionary and Dolmetsch. However, these are the only two references I could find specifically describing "a V mark above the staff." Other websites including Wikipedia use luftpause to describe the comma.

My opinion after reading these sources and the OP's example is that the "v" mark indicates where the musical phrase naturally breaks, and where bowed strings would lift [their bow] as an articulation, but no physical inhale. Whereas the comma is a proper breath mark indicating a full separation of both phrase and wind performance. Neither should affect tempo or the placement of the following downbeat, but the comma should result in a shortened duration and physical inhale.

This usage is supported by the "v" appearing within brackets indicating it is assumed, much like a complimentary accidental.

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  • What do you mean by "check mark"? Are you referring to the V-like sign? – Rosie F Apr 18 at 14:40
  • @RosieF: it seems safe to assume that; it’s pretty much the symbol usually known as a check-mark in American English – PLL Apr 18 at 20:34
  • @PLL This site is used by people outside America, too. That's why I dislike the use of Americanisms except when together with synonyms. – Rosie F Apr 19 at 4:34
  • @RosieF The OP called it a "tick" mark. When I wrote my answer, "tick" became "check" in my head. In British English, the definition of "tick" is "a mark (✓) used to indicate that an item in a list or text is correct or has been chosen, checked, or dealt with; a check mark." – NickGrooves Apr 19 at 18:41
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Imagine you were playing that duet on two violins.

You'd probably ignore the tick marks (because breathing isn't integral to your violin phrasing) but you'd heed the comma just before the final bar. The effect is that nice lift you get just before the end of many baroque performances.

So the tick is a technique mark specifically for woodwind/brass instruments and the comma is a stylistic mark observable by all players.

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  • The excerpt in the question is arranged for two recorders. Why would there be instructions/symbols in it for other instruments? – Elements in Space Apr 19 at 9:56
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Is the the comma representing something else? (perhaps a breath mark with a fermata/pause?)

The comma is a breath mark:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath_mark

In this case (your example) the breath is above a rallentando and so it is altering the tempo.

The tick-sign or v appears in notation for strings or choirs.

This pause usually does not affect the overall tempo. For bowed instruments, it indicates to lift the bow and play the next note with a downward bow.

https://musicterms.artopium.com/b/Breathmark.htm V Theres no difference:

Luftpause: v and comma

A momentary interruption of the metre by silence, often indicated by a comma or ‘V’ above the staff.

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    How is the comma type breath mark, different to the tick type breath mark? – Elements in Space Apr 18 at 14:51
  • As the V sign looks like nose this means you can breath through the nose. ;) – Albrecht Hügli Apr 18 at 15:03

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