Questions tagged [clefs]

A clef (from French: clef “key”) is a musical symbol used to indicate the set of pitches of written notes.

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Bach Invention 1 BWV 772 Bar 13 same note simultaneously in both staves, play only one? [duplicate]

I'm learning Bach's Invention 1 BWV 772. Bar 13 has the same note E in both staves simultaneously. Should I only use right hand to play it? (I saw some past questions about both staves having the same ...
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Is there a legitimate reason why a C-Clef could ever be used in piano music?

I'm working on a composition that I can't help but to use the C-Clef because it renders neater on paper. This one switched to treble clef twice. But this would be a mess with bass clef and treble clef ...
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Two different clefs at the start of a piece on the same hand

I am looking at the intro for the "Piano collections" of Nobuo Uematsu's Final Fantasy VI Terra's theme, which starts like this . The right hand is pretty straight forward, but the first bar ...
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What are the pitches in this donso ngoni tuning?

Please see the image below depicting the donso ngoni. I'm bad at identifying notes from clefs. But if I'm giving a try to guess the notes I think in the key of A: it is A - B - D - E - G - A. Is that ...
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What is the Schäffer Clef?

I was perusing the Musescore master palette and came across this triangle shaped clef called the Schäffer clef. Doing a Google search for it only returned stuff like a website for browsing the ...
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What does it mean when a chord in the bass-clef bar is marked with a treble clef and what is the extent of applying that notation.This is piano music [duplicate]

There is a treble clef next to a chord in the bass-clef bar near the end of a piece of music I'm trying to learn. I don't know how to interpret it. Should I play just this one chord as if it were on ...
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Clef of the lower staff does not look right in Lilypond, how to fix?

I am trying to engrave a pipa piece using Lilypond 2.20 on Ubuntu 20.04. The first several notes render like this: What do not look right: Clef in the lower part does not start with a bass symbol, ...
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How can I read these cross staff notes?

I'm aware of notes crossing clefs, but I've never seen it being used like this before. For the record, the song is in 4/4.
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Where should I put the bass clef? Before or after the repeat sign?

So I'm in the middle of writing the second movement of a duo sonata for Violin and Cello and the cello goes into the tenor register for a decent amount of time, thus me writing the tenor clef. But ...
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Identifying bass notes on piano with strange clef

I'm not musician, I'm old man and I would like to hear again some specific music. I have the sheet music and I bought a piano. I was reading this Wikipedia article and would like to identify the notes ...
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Is it common to mix multiple clefs on the same sheet?

One of my Facebook friends posted this sheet I was shocked by the quantity of clefs being used. Moreover, they aren't placed at the same vertical position (which I assume changes the reference points ...
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What clef is this? (Baroque, Vivaldi)

What is this clef in Vivaldi RV281? This is the only source of the concerto is available ( at least without buying it, which is the manuscript). The piece did have a few weird clefs like an octave ...
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Why the F clef and G clef? [duplicate]

We understand that the bass clef is called the F clef, while the treble is called the G clef. It's to do with where the strange signs are on each staff. But why those notes in particular?
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Is the bass clef the same thing as a question mark? How are they related?

Why does the bass clef look like a question mark?
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Need help reading this music sheet

Complete newbie here, i've been handed this piece of music and im not completely sure how to read it. Can someone tell me how to read this piece and what is says? i know it looks simple but im not ...
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Unnecessary and confusing bass clef in Mozart's Fantasia in D minor, Why?

I just played Mozart's Fantasia in D minor and I noticed at the Allegretto section in D major, an unnecessary and confusing bass clef. So I looked on IMSLP to see if any of the editions of Mozart's ...
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Can the treble clef be used instead of the bass clef in piano music?

I have been learning the piano for a few months now and I am having trouble learning the bass clef. I have played other instruments that use the treble clef so I know it well. Can the bass clef be ...
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Exercises to internalise bass clef?

I can read the treble clef because I learned it as a kid for guitar and school music lessons, but I've only been introduced to bass clef as an adult singing tenor and trying to pick up piano and bass. ...
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C Clef Showing Middle C on the Second Space: Printing Error, or Obscure Clef?

A friend of mine asked me for help on their theory assignment. Number 8 on the worksheet asked the student to write a certain scale with what appeared to be a standard alto clef, except that the point ...
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How should I write this passage to make it the most readable?

Been writing something and was wondering how I should notate these measures to ensure readability. These three ideas are floating around in my head but if anyone else has input please send it my way.
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Switching the Clef Positions

Ok, so, basically, I wanted to play this song called Heaven's Lullaby by BigRicePiano on YouTube. The issue was that he had no tutorial. Thankfully, someone named LightPiano made a Synthesia tutorial ...
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When are the historical landmarks in the evolution of the bass (F) clef?

I found this image on the web showing the evolution of the bass (F) clef but there's no date or source for each instance. Can anyone provide the approximate date of these changes?
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Bracket symbol added to G clef

What does the symbol mean that is added to the clef in the Tenor voice in Poulenc’s Mass in G Major? It has a similar shape to an old C clef, but it is added to the existing G clef.
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How to play clef changes in Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity? (F Horn)

I've played horn for 8 years as a student through middle and high school and rarely come across the bass clef, except maybe twice when playing Sonata op. 10. When it comes to this piece (Jupiter, ...
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Is it OK to use 3rd/4th line C clef for euphonium?

If I write a Euphonium part that implies more melodic stuff that is more high in the register, can I use a 3rd or 4th line C clef for this Euphonium instead of using the bass clef or should I always ...
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What are all the existing clefs? [duplicate]

I am asking this question out of sheer curiosity. What are all the existing clefs? What is the clef's most used range?
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When was todays music notation standard of the grand staff first adapted into common practice? Some time in the 17th century?

When did the treble and bass clefs used together become common practice for music notation?
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Mnemonics for Tenor Clef

I've been transcribing orchestral arrangements into MuseScore, and have encountered my first Tenor Clef. I searched online for "Tenor Clef Mnemonic" and other help-with-tenor-clef queries, with no ...
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Clefs used for pitched percussion

I know that unpitched percussion instruments use the percussion/neutral clef. However, I was wondering what clefs are used for pitched percussion instruments. Are treble, tenor, alto and bass clef all ...
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Why are there two ways of expressing the octave treble clef which indicates to perform the piece an octave lower?

Why is it that there are two ways of writing the octave lower treble clef? Is there some sort of history behind this or are they used in different circumstances or something?
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Untuned Percussion Clef

G clef (usually treble), F clef (usually bass) and very movable C clef (alto/tenor) are all very definable, as are the dots contained within. Look at untuned percussion music, though, and there's ...
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Are there any clefs other than treble, bass, tenor, and alto? [duplicate]

For most of my life, I've thought that treble and bass were the only musical clefs. Then I learned about the alto and tenor clefs. I've found articles online saying that these 4 clefs are the only ...
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Why have a clef change right after a previous clef?

I came across this section in Mozart's piano sonata no. It shows a clef change at the start of the measure, but the bass clef is shown right before it. Why would this be needed if the measure uses ...
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Three Treble Clefs

What does it mean when there is a layout like this, and each has a treble clef. There is no bass clef. How is this played?
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Why are clefs associated with reference notes G, F and C?

Why don't we see, for example, a clef with a stylised symbol representing an A, B, D or an E? What's so special about G, F and C? Who decided to use them and why?
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Where was the D clef used?

I recently came across this score by Henry Work called "Grandfather's Clock". And i was a bit confused at first regarding this clef in the chorus. It seems to be a D clef. I was wondering if this ...
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Was alto in the past lower in pitch than where they are today?

I wonder why alto clefs are so low that they doesn't seem to match the range of alto(female low voice). Why did J.S. Bach use alto clef so much for the middle part of his fugue? Is it because alto was ...
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Problem with a tie

Why is MuseScore not creating the last tree notes in the bass clef. See the picture. Every time I try to put a quarter note above the half note it disappears.
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Bass clef in piano scores, why?

I am a drummer, I do not play any melodic instrument, though I happen to read some piano scores, and I am wondering what was the idea behind using the bass clef for the left hand part. From what I ...
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Why are double staff pieces of music not properly aligned for Middle C?

I am a guitar, flute and (a long time ago) bassoon player. I can play a few things on a keyboard, badly, in short: I know how it all works. I'm trying to help teach my wife to play a harp. It has a ...
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Alto clef makes so much sense; why isn't it used more often

I play guitar and trombone. This question does not concern me, but why don't more instruments with a wider range of notes (e.g. pianos) use alto clef? With C on the middle line, it makes so much sense....
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Extra note in lilypond mensural layout with petrucci-f4

I'm trying to set some 16th century music. The mensural style overrides do a pretty good job of matching the original notation, but an extra c' appears at the beginning of the staff when I call \clef ...
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What clef was first?

Adding up to my previous question, what clef was first and why? I guess there should be answers somewhere out there but I can't find them.
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Using Key signature but scale is going out onto ledger lines [duplicate]

I am working through my grade 1 theory book and am a little confused on a question. I have learnt that you either use key signatures or accidentals when writing out a scale. Not both. The question I ...
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When did voice parts start using treble clef?

Parts for soprano, alto and tenor voices used to be written with the corresponding variant of movable C clef. When did the transition to treble (G) clef happen, and what drove the change -- composers,...
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Why do we need different clefs?

Besides reducing the needs of using ledger lines and making the score easier to read, are there any other reasons?
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Which instrument (generally) has to read the largest number of clefs?

I recently had a (light-hearted) argument with a violin-playing friend, I play the trombone and we were discussing which instrument is more difficult to play. We talked about the relative difficulty ...
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How to compose for male falsetto?

I'm writing a musical theatre piece and I want one of the male character's parts to be sung completely in falsetto, but I have no idea what clef to write it in. Would I write it in treble clef or ...
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Clef between a beam? proper notation?

Is that F Clef between the beam of those two notes in the 3rd bar proper notation? if so, what does it mean? I'm guessing it's the same as the G Clef that precedes it, so that the next note would be C ...
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Piano: grand staff with two treble clefs. Where to place hands?

I'm very new at playing the piano and would love to play an easy version of Clair de lune. Please see the sheet below. I get stuck right at the very beginning. I think I have figured out that '...