Questions tagged [modal]

For questions related to modal music, which can be understood as either a) pre-tonal music composed with modes, or b) modern music which uses modes instead of classical tonality.

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How do I make different sounds using modes when I'm using the same chords that I'm building the modes off? [duplicate]

People keep saying use modes to get a different sound. How can you get a different sound from modes when they use the same chords from whichever you built the modes off, doesn't really matter if it's ...
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Question About Modal Chord Progressions

What is a modal chord progression? I know that some scale degrees resolve to other scale degrees other than the root note or root chord. Do I always have to resolve my phrases on the notes of the ...
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How should I comprehend Modal Mixture?

I’m studying the concept of modal mixture and there’s one thing that I immediately got curious about. Supposedly, the majority of POP music (rock, hip hop, r&b, country, etc) is a mixture of Major ...
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Defining new commands in Lilypond (for koron symbol)

I am trying to write a simple, minimalist script in LilyPond to create the koron symbol (used in Persian music). I came up with the following solution, with satisfactory results, but my code is not ...
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Automatic note splitting - missed stems

Why are some stems missing? \version "2.22.1" \include "changePitch.ly" nl = \break chord_a = \relative c''' {<e gis c>} chord_b = \relative c'' {<fis b d>} root = {...
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specifics on modal playing, or emphasizing an underlying chord

i've been reading a lot about modal playing, perhaps that which is derived from modal Jazz. the sources i've been reading & watching seem split about the notes/scale & which to emphasize. some ...
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"Major" progressions & "Modal" voicings (tonal vs modal) when building chords & progressions

im not asking "what i can or cannot play" as all music is subjective, but im asking for "theory" or "technical" reasonings. people often say that they replace the 4/11 ...
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Chromatic Modes?

Are there names for chromatic modes? As in where the "starting note" isn't in the "key" that you're playing. For example, D major but starting on C, as it's something between ...
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Lydian harmony: What chords are tonic (T), subdominant (S), and dominant (D)?

The Lydian mode is the brightest-sounding mode and I am interested in how to utilize it. Diatonic chords in Lydian = I, II, iii, ivø, V, vi, vii What chords are tonic, subdominant, and dominant, in ...
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Fux Counterpoint

In Fux's study of First Species modal counterpoint, why is it permitted to raise the 7th as he approached the final cadence. I realize that allowing that creates a leading tone which sounds better, ...
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notes to play in a "modal scale" other than tonic & character notes?

what other notes should get used along with the modal tonic & the character note, when going for a "modal" sound? Take Dorian, a minor mode, for example, playing over a (dm7: D-F-A-C) in ...
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how to properly bring out a modal "color"

Let's please stay in the key of CMaj (C Ionian, D dorian, E phrygian, etc.) If for example, if I have an underlying CMaj triad (C-E-G), but wanted to emphasize the middle note (E), I could solo using (...
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What is "modal minor"?

What is "modal minor"? Context: Ralph Vaughan Williams' "Six Studies in English Folk Song" has a part called "1.Adagio ('Lovely on the Water') in E modal minor" (emphasis ...
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Which chords belong to a mode?

My guitar teacher - in my short student days - told me that each mode, in order to be expressed, have to be played over a certain chord. That chord can either come from a second guitar, or from one ...
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Chord progression question

Dmaj7 - Emaj7 - Gbmaj7 - Gbmaj7 x repeats What is this chord progression? I could not figure out its key and know nothing about this one. It is from this video.
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Can you identify this scale? Cant find it in the Mela chart. Is it Persian, Arabic? C Db Eb Fb G Ab B C

Can you identify this scale? Cant find it in the Mela chart. Is it Persian, Arabic? C Db Eb Fb G Ab B C
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What exactly is a "vamp"? [duplicate]

I recently started to read Mick Goodrick's well-known book "The Advancing Guitarist", but I got stuck at the very beginning. The first chapter of the book talks about how playing on one ...
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Is this an example of musica ficta?

I'm looking at the score of Carlo Gesualdo's "Io parto" e non più dissi from one of his madrigals. I listened to a few performances online (for example - ). I ...
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Why does the V-I cadence sound tonal rather than modal?

I have heard that the V-I cadence is to be avoided when playing chant accompaniment: e.g., Gregorian chant. It seems to me that the leading tone going to the tonic makes it sound like a tonal cadence ...
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Help me figure out the mode of this Howard Shore piece

I have been trying to harmonically analyse this piece by Howard Shore called “Beyond the Forest”, an Elvish song from the Hobbit. I have included the sheet music below (page two is linked) and you can ...
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Which scales should I play over Beatrice Jazz standard?

Heyo, I'm practicing the Jazz standard beatrice. These are the chords: | Fmaj7 | Gbmaj7#11 | Fmaj7 | Ebmaj7#11 | | Dmin7 | Ebmaj7 | Dmin7 | Bbmin7 | | Amin7 | Bbmaj7 ...
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Names of different definitions of key

If we read the Wikipedia page for musical key, or the question about the Definition of minor key, we might notice conflicting views regarding the definition of "key". On one hand, we have a ...
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Why do modal chants sometimes end on another chord than the tonic chord?

I see a lot of organ accompaniments to Gregorian chants, eg Attende Domine or something from a Kyriale, starting and ending on another chord than the tonic/finalis. A phrygian melody might have the ...
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What are the key features to keep in mind when writing melodies in Mixolydian mode?

When writing a melody in the Mixolydian mode, you don't want it to sound as if it were in a major key. So how do you go about writing melodies in the Mixolydian mode, while maintaining the essence of ...
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Is a lydian II - V - I progression common?

I recently learned that there's a harmonic reason why some scales exist. If you have a minor scale but want to have a dominant V chord, sharpen the 7th degree and as a byproduct you get the harmonic ...
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Penultimate chord in Messiaen's Regard du Pere seems to break the pattern

I have a question about a particular chord in “Regard du Pere,” the first piece in the Vingt Regards Sur L'Enfant Jesus by Messiaen. I am using the 1947 Editions Durand and don’t know of any other ...
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Chords within harmonic minor. Naming problem

While writing a modal interchange table including harmonic minor I came across a naming problem which rules I can not figure out. The chords in question are V and VII. The table's upper row shows the ...
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Dorian mode cadences

From this question I read that modal cadences are different from tonic cadences. I'm trying to learn Dorian mode and I noted that in the answer they offer the suggestion of the second chord, first ...
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Going from ♭VI to I

I have seen and heard a bVI -> I progression in quite a few scores to create an inspiring feeling (for example, from an F major chord to an A major chord) and was wondering how this could be ...
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Character Tones in Modal Jazz

I'm learning modal jazz harmony for the first time, and I am confused why the character tone of D Dorian is B and not F. I can see the difference between Dorian and Aeolian is in the 6th degree. But ...
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Why does the modal system approach to jazz sometimes fail?

When I first dived into studying jazz guitar, I learnt that the modal system and harmonized scale were the ultimate key to jazz improvisation and mastery. This method worked for me in most cases but ...
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Using the Circle of Fifths for Modal Music Key Changes: Is this oversimplifying?

I am learning about the modes, relative scales, and the circle of fifths. I am interested in adding key changes to my playing. I understand that if you're playing in, say C major, the easiest key ...
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In what way is music considered to be in a mode when accidentals seemingly contradict the mode?

Below is a piece I played recently. The tonic is E, the key signature is two sharps with C# being the Dorian aspect of the key signature. In the score C natural contradicts the key signature in nearly ...
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Was there a conscious decision of medieval composers to compose within a harmonic framework?

How much were medieval composers (such as Hildegard von Bingen) aware of modal approach when they composed and "engineered" their pieces? Now, this question is almost stupid. They didn't compose ...
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Who invented modal Jazz?

Can anyone be said to have done so? Or was it just a movement that emerged from the various people playing at the time? I believe that Kind of Blue was the first album to popularize it but can Miles ...
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Has Bela Bartok influenced Jazz tremendously?

Bela Bartok rediscovered Modal scales from eastern Europe. Lydian, Phrygian, etc... What I was wondering was.... was it the first time that these scales were rediscovered and went into mainstream ...
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What would this scale be? Is it something Eastern?

Its kind of like a pentatonic scale, but some parts are chromatic. The note between the fourth and fifth is played. Moth minor and major seven are played. PLEASE HELP! thank you
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Is there a standard set of cadences designed for the seven modes?

On Cadences for Modes and Modal Cadence Options, Dom, Richard, and I came up with a group of modal cadences. Specifically (correct order from Ionian to Locrian): Dom: ii-I, VII-i, II-i, II-I, VII-I, ...
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Is this an example of Modal interchange? [duplicate]

The section I'm referring to is circled in red. The piece is in D♭ major. And I think here it's in F mixolydian, as both Cmin7 and F7 are in F mixolydian. Also, this part is the end of a phrase and ...
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False modulation for doxology in a modal key

I am barely an organist, but occasionally cover for the real organist at my church. The next time I am doing this is three weeks from now, and because I'm a novice, I already have the hymns for that ...
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Is this a modal composing technique?

Suppose that I went to Wikipedia and got a list of all the dominant seventh chords. Then I composed by doing them in any order I wish: CEG and Bflat was my first chord [note that I dont know how to ...
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Modal Cadence Options

I understand that when playing in a mode, the cadences are quite different from tonal cadences. For example, in the Phrygian mode a cadence would be IV - iii (or II - i if we're renumbering the chords)...
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Are circle of fifths progressions generally practical for modes?

Earlier today I was working on mode utilizations, and as I was making a circle of fifths, here's what I got: C Ionian mode: C - F - Bdim - Em - Am - Dm - G - C (I - IV - viio - iii - vi - ii - V - I) ...
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Modal chord progression and tritone substitution

Is is possible to use tritone substitution in modal chord progression? For example I have a simple I-IV-V-I chord prog, in C mixolidian: C-F-Gm-C. Can I substitute the Gm with Db7? And if yes the ...
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Tonal Compatibility

Considering: that finding the Ionian Mode's Phrygian location, suggests counting back 3 degrees from C'- Bb, Ab, 'G', starting from 'G'- play the 'Eb' Scale. The Answer', I have been serching for the ...
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Is it possible to find the mode of the borrowed chord?

I came across a piece which uses a dorian progression: i - IV - VII - III - ii7 - v - V V is a borrowed chord, but is it possible to determine from which mode this chord was borrowed? (lydian, ...
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Modal theory and resolution

Does each mode resolved to their respective roots as modes are to be seen as nothing more than another degree of the same scale/key. Or do they always resolve to the root note of the respective major ...
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Why Orlando Gibbons is considered "the end of modality, the beginning of tonality"?

According to Glenn Gould (minute 28:20), Orlando Gibbons represents the end of modality, the beginning of tonality Can anyone deepen the meaning of this? Could you please point to a specific ...
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Which scale(s) can I use?

I've just come back from my jazz workshop and the lines I played over a G7 C7 G7 D7#9 Eb7#9 D7#9b13 G7 progression were ok, -ish. When asked, our teacher told me to try dorian scales, over mixolydian ...
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"Tonal Tones" and "Modal Tones" - what do they mean?

Robert Rawlins in his Jazzology: The Encyclopedia of Jazz Theory for All Musicians shows this chart, in his discussion about the modes of the major scale: Rawlins doesn't seem to offer a clear ...