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What were Plato's main ideas on musical aesthetics?

Plato, one of our Western philosophical fathers, turns out to be a music critic even in his dying moments criticizing a flute music performance he enjoyed in his last evening! A passage deciphered ...
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Modes Scales and Keys

Is it correct to refer to modes as keys, or are they simply modes? If they're not keys, how come C Ionian is referred to as the major key, and its relative minor key, Am, (Aeolian), referred to as the ...
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Key vs Mode, why are there two different definitions?

When I search for the definition of key and mode, I see two arguments: When we talk about key, we only talk about major and minor. Letter name plus major and letter name plus minor are the only keys ...
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Are there widely accepted names for 31edo modes?

I am looking for scales and modes in 31edo, and I found this page: https://en.xen.wiki/w/31edo_modes It's overall a nice library of scales. The issue is, the namings are too unique that I cannot find ...
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Is all this modal theory for guitarists truly necessary?

A common strategy to learning to improvise is to learn modes. On quite a few different guitar sites (source), I've found a strategy presented that goes like this: Learn all the modes in a parent key....
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Why is finding parent scale important in playing modes?

I am reading Nicholas Carter's Music Theory: From Beginner to Expert. I am at the part where he explains altered Dominant chords provide easy access to parent melodic minor scale because if b9, #9, #...
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Can a key signature express Phrygian mode (not just major or minor)?

Relative modes share the same note. I was told the key signature could mean either major or minor. But can it not also mean the other five modes like Phrygian, Locrian, etc.?
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What is the difference in playing a mode in key vs in sequence?

So I got more serious about guitar recently and I learned the major scale and all of the modes. My question is, what is the difference, assuming you’re in the key of G major, in playing A Dorian, and ...
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How does the sharp 4 chord function, aside from the diminished?

I was trying out some lydian chord progressions and found that a #iv (sharp 4 minor) chord sounded really nice. How does this chord, or even a major #IV chord (although that may be equivalent to the ...
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Three consecutive dissonances in verset fugue

I've been playing from a collection of versets (fugues) by Gottlieb Muffat. https://imslp.org/wiki/72_Versetl_sammt_12_Toccaten_(Muffat%2C_Gottlieb) The versets are arranged by the old Church tones ...
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How to handle songs whose scales are neither major or minor in harmonic mixing?

Harmonic mixing typically relies on the circle of fifths, often renamed as the "Camelot wheel" in the context of harmonic mixing. However, that circle/wheel only contains two scales: major ...
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Could a program perform automated scale/mode detection beyond just the major and minor scales?

The automated scale/mode detection programs that I am aware of such as Mixed in Key can only detect major and minor scales, in addition to the key. Could there also be programs that could perform ...
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Is there a mode with the following notes? [closed]

Is there a mode which contains the following notes? E flat D D flat C
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Playing a scale with a flat 10 across multiple octaves

Let's say I'm playing a keyboard solo and I'm using a C major scale with a flat 10. So I play an E in the first octave and an E flat in the second octave, but then I get very, showy prog-rocky and I ...
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How do i arrange chords after mixing pentatonic modes?

The Ionian mode which is the Major scale - is the second mode of the minor pentatonic scale (the Major pentatonic scale) plus a Perfect 4th and a Major 7th notes. It is also a combination of, for ...
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How to find the parent scale (prime form?) for a group of sibling modes?

Reminder: I know just enough theory to be really annoying. this is everything I know about it. so far. I've calculated all the possible modes and recently learned they all have names but what eludes ...
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When was the term "scale degree" coined? Or where did it originate?

Today is the first time I've heard the term "scale degree". When was the term coined? Or where did it originate?
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How should I comprehend Modal Mixture?

I’m studying the concept of modal mixture and there’s one thing that I immediately got curious about. Supposedly, the majority of POP music (rock, hip hop, r&b, country, etc) is a mixture of Major ...
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How many notes does it take to state the key? To Have "Tonality"?

I'm referring to "tonal dominant function" as this gentleman is talking about in this video. How many notes in a "melody" do you need to state the ...
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I’m looking for information/references on how we developed the Major Mode (Scale/Key) [closed]

As the title says, I’m looking for some information on the history of how the Major Mode (Scale,Key) was developed/designed. I already know a little bit, that is, I am not completely new to the topic, ...
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How is the 8th greek mode Hypomixolydian illustrated harmonically?

I'm digging into musical modes and came across this article on how the greek mode were used therapeutically. http://wisdomofhypatia.com/OM/BA/MT.html#Performance He illustrates many facets of each ...
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Parallel heptatonic modes ordered by changing one pitch at a time by half step in circle of fifths order [closed]

The major scale has a property, where we can arrange all of its modes in such a way where consecutive modes differ by only one note which itself only differs by one half step Locrian Phrygian Aeolian ...
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Bob Marley - Could You Be Loved - why single note outside mode?

In Bob Marley's song "Could You Be Loved" popcorn picking is used which is a percussive sounding rhythm guitar technique. The song is in B minor key and uses these cords: Bmi, D, Emi, F#mi, ...
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Why is C the tenor of phrygian?

After teaching some students about medieval church modes, I took a question as to precisely why the tenor/confinalis of phrygian/mode III was C rather than B. I answered according to what I had been ...
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What modes is the Litany of the Saints in?

I've been looking at the Litany of the Saints. Kyrie Eleison has La as the reciting tone. But then Do is the reciting tone and the finalis. I've yet to find a mode with finalis and tenor on the same ...
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I'm so confused about modes that I can't make a specific title

I started playing guitar almost 30 years ago as a little kid. I'm not great, but I can move my fingers and I know how the scales work and that a scale uses some specific chords. Now I wanted a new ...
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Is there a cadence that supports ^3 ^2 ^1 in the phrygian mode?

My harmony books all talk about the "phrygian half cadence" which is just a half cadence usually approached from iv6. I don't know why this is called a phrygian cadence because it is not a ...
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Help in Understanding Modes

Just wanted some clarification and guidance in my attempt to understand the use of modes. I am a bass player involved in playing pop, rock, alt and indie genres; I am not a Jazz/Bebop bassist. My ...
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Chromatic Modes?

Are there names for chromatic modes? As in where the "starting note" isn't in the "key" that you're playing. For example, D major but starting on C, as it's something between ...
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Lydian harmony: What chords are tonic (T), subdominant (S), and dominant (D)?

The Lydian mode is the brightest-sounding mode and I am interested in how to utilize it. Diatonic chords in Lydian = I, II, iii, ivø, V, vi, vii What chords are tonic, subdominant, and dominant, in ...
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How to find the mode of these AC/DC songs?

I'm trying to learn music theory while learn some simple rock songs, such as AC/DC's. For example "Highway to Hell" and "Girls Got Rhythm". I know these notes are used: G - A - B - ...
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What makes the ionian and Aeolian modes different from other modes?

There were initially seven modes back in the era of modal music, but when tonality set in, the use of modes dropped to just two; Ionian and Aeolian, now the major and natural minor scales. Why were ...
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Is there a common name for the scale [0 2 4 5 7 8 10] (C D E F G Ab Bb C)? [duplicate]

Is there a standard or common way to refer to the scale with pitch classes 024578T or C-D-E-F-G-Ab-Bb-C (on C)? There's many ways to refer to it as a mixture of another scale. Like saying "...
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Confusion on modes

I'm a bit confused about the modes. I'm learning them by ear through this app, where the app explains what to listen for. For instance: dorian has 2b (flats), and lydian has 1# (sharp). The thing I'm ...
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How come scales that differ in their ascent and descent tend to use raised notes going up and lowered notes going down regardless of musical culture?

A great variety of scales across the world differ in the way they go up and down. Some examples that come to mind are the Melodic minor that has A and B natural going up but Bb and Ab going down. A ...
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Are there any scales (in any musical culture) that can contain non-fixed members (ones that can be sharped or flattened at will)?

I am wondering if there are any scales (that are in actual use) that also contain non-fixed pitches. By that I mean that in addition to having several fixed pitches, also have some "flexible"...
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Modes by ear tips and tricks

Going to learn all the modes by ear. But finding info about is this strangely hard? Ionian and Aeolian is the same as major and minor, right? And what about the rest, you guys got any tips? So far I'...
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Clarification of modes, mixed understanding of how they work

I'm just diving into music theory having largely ignored it in my playing up until now. I believe I've got the basics down of how to move modes around the finger board. But, there is some "...
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How does the analyze function work by taking 'key' in music21 library(python)? From a passed midi file, how can it determine the key and mode?

score = music21.converter.parse('filename.mid') key = score.analyze('key') print(key.tonic.name, key.mode) This gives the key and the mode of a given midi file. How can I get similar information on ...
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Does it make sense to swich note and mode depending on the chord being played?

So, C Aeolian and A# Mixolydian have the same notes right? That means that the difference is just which notes I emphasize, correct? Like, focusing on A# notes instead of C just makes the sound more ‘...
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Fux Counterpoint

In Fux's study of First Species modal counterpoint, why is it permitted to raise the 7th as he approached the final cadence. I realize that allowing that creates a leading tone which sounds better, ...
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What is the correct term for the "common" pentatonic scale?

So a "pentatonic" scale is just any scale with 5 scale degrees (pitches). Yet, in most music we always just seem to assume that it's the scale with the following number of semitones (half ...
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Greek modes, minor and major scales

By definition, a major scale is: W W H W W W H similarly, a minor scale is: W H W W H W W Now, the standard notion of Greek modes begins with: a major scale, and the construction of the modes with ...
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Is Fantaisie Impromptu actually in G# Phrygian?

I’m new to music theory and the definition of key I’ve learned seems to contradict established fact. I’ve been told that the tonic of a piece is the key where the melody comes to rest, where it feels ...
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What is the lowered supertonic note called, especially in Phrygian and Locrian modes?

I know most scales/modes like Ionian (major), Dorian, Lydian, Mixolydian and Aeolian (natural minor) have a major second note called the supertonic, but some scales/modes like Phrygian and Locrian ...
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Does anyone have tips or tricks for remembering the function of mode harmony?

When I mean by that, I understand how the 7 modes are constructed: Ionian: Major scale with no alterations Dorian: natural minor scale with 1 alteration: #6 Phrygian: natural minor scale with 1 ...
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how to properly bring out a modal "color"

Let's please stay in the key of CMaj (C Ionian, D dorian, E phrygian, etc.) If for example, if I have an underlying CMaj triad (C-E-G), but wanted to emphasize the middle note (E), I could solo using (...
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Lydian mode alleviates the clashing between the (M3) & (P4), but creates just as much between the (#4) & (5)?

I'm very confused when choosing modes to solo over my chord progressions. I've read that the Lydian scale is often used over underlying Major or Major 7th chords, to cut down on the natural clashing ...
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Three Notes Per String and the 7 Modes

If the third position of the three notes per string G major scale is the B Phrygian mode, then how do I play that same mode all over the fretboard of the guitar?
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In modal harmony, what are "modal tonic chords"?

I'm going through this video: "How to write a MODAL chord PROGRESSION (that sounds modal)", which is very interesting, but at a certain point it refers to: a. Modal Tonic Chords - chords ...
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