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Questions tagged [modes]

For questions concerning the musical modes. These can include historical views of mode by the Greeks or the various rotations of scale collections. Questions about historical views of mode should also include the history tag.

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Why is the 'standard chord' on the first step of Dorian b2 (second mode melodic minor) a sus-chord for jazz?

Why is the 'standard chord' for Dorian b9 a sus chord? More specifically, a sus4. Instead of stacking triads, i often see people (most notably Rick Beato on youtube) use a sus chord on the first step ...
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Is there a website that provides song names as real life examples for each scale and mode? [closed]

I have recently started learning music theory on my own. I have had some previous exposure to Western music theory when I was in primary school (now I'm in college). So, I'm not completely new to the ...
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Can someone please explain differences between Ionian dorian phrygian (etc) scales [duplicate]

If you have C scale, C, D, E, F, G, A, H, C this is already Ionian. C dorian scale is when you play same tones but start from second tone, in this case D. I am correct?
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What are all the modes (scales) based on the major scale?

I've heard that there are 7 different scales based on the major scale, like the minor scale, which is made by shifting the major scale pattern 6 to the right. What are the names of the other scales ...
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What's the point of connecting chords to modes when writing in an established key?

Let's say I am in the key of C and trying to write a simple melody over some chords on the piano. Chord progression: I (Cmaj) IV (Fmaj) V (Gmaj) I (Cmaj) Let's take the IV chord for instance. What's ...
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Understand this progression/harmony

I've found a song that uses the next progression. Is a 4 "simple" 4 bars progression: Cm / D / D# / F In the first 3 bars, it plays notes from this scale: D D# F# G A A# C In the last bar, basically ...
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Is there such a thing as a Harmonic key besides for Harmonic Aeolian?

My understanding of the various modes is that, relative to the base note’s natural major key: Ionian is the same as natural major; Dorian flats the third and seventh; Phrygian flats the second, third,...
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How do you establish a feel of the mode?

I have been trying to learn some music theory and I'm kind of a confused about modes. Reading explanations and watching numerous videos about subject just don't seem to clarify it enough. What is the ...
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Do unavailable tensions correspond to avoid notes?

In the modern modes, i've been told that unavailable tensions are used in the context of chords, while avoid notes are used in the context of scales. Are all of the modes unavailable tensions ...
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When describing the melodic minor scale, I hear it referred to as a “minor major 7th”, but isn't the harmonic minor also that?

The melodic major consists of 1 2 b3 4 5 6 #7 while the harmonic minor consists of 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, #7. Both appear to be "minor major 7th" chords. So when someone refers to one of these, how do ...
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Why don’t we use the term “scale signature”, rather than “key signature”?

This would avoid the confusion to some, of saying that the key/mode of A dorian has a key signature of G. I’m all for making things clearer for people learning music. If a piece is in D dorian, I ...
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Modes of scales other than C major

I was learning modes. But I'm confused now. My problem is that I don't know how to apply the modes in other scale. For example I know in c major, mixolydian is form g to g and all keys are flat. But ...
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Analysing “Dust to Dust”, John Kirkpatrick

I've been trying to analyse the song "Dust to Dust" by John Kirkpatrick to perhaps get some insight into how one writes in Locrian without sounding it sounding ugly. The only thing I've noticed is ...
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Does borrowing chords from a parallel mode change the key?

I was watching a video how a guy uses chords from different modes. Let's say I'm in C major, my understanding is that I can borrow any chord from any of the 7 parallel modes to make my chord ...
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How do you think of the natural minor scale (or any non-major scale), when you play it?

I would be grateful to know how other beginner musicians think of the natural scale. For example, do you think: I need to play in A minor - the relative major is C. I shall therefore play in C ...
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Is using a flat 6 in dorian to avoid an augmented fourth OK in jazz?

Here is a basic line of broken fourths I was playing over Dm7. ...at beat 4 I use B flat so that a fourth is formed from the preceding F. As line continues in the next bar I go back to the B natural ...
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How could the medieval chants be classified before any notation was available?

We all have in mind the image of a medieval mode as a scale with a pattern of tones and semitones with a finalis, a specific range, etc. However, it seems that medieval chants were classified ...
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My Favorite Things - Harmony Theory-Modal Question About E-7->F#-7

It's my understanding that the standard My Favorite Things is in the key of E minor and then modulates to E major. Since E-minor is the relative minor key of G major, from the major scale perspective,...
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What exactly is the difference between C Ionian and D Dorian?

Both modes have the same notes. But why do they sound different. How to approach while composing a song in a particular mode as opposed to a key. Is it the harmony or the pivoting root? I read few ...
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Modes on the guitar

Pretty new to jazz and I just had a question about soloing So for example we have a progression Dm7| Bm7| so I understand we can play D Dorian then B Dorian with each of the chords. My question is ...
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for a person who is still beginner at ear training how does one hear the difference between modes and other keys?

I've been doing ear training and I have to say my scale degree identification (after playing cadences) is pretty good, I can identify the #4 and the b2 and the b7 etc well but the problem is that as ...
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What do we call a chord progression that doesn't have a tonic chord?

I came up with a chord progression the other day: Fm7 Ebmaj7 Abmaj7 G7 It's clearly in C minor. But instead of resolving to Cm, I was looping through it. What catched my attention was that it ...
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What are the interval patterns for the modes?

I came across this on this site: C Ionian is C D E F G A B, whereas C Dorian is C D E♭ F G A B♭ The WWHWWWH is for Ionian. What is the equivalent for the other modes?
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Which chords belong to a mode?

My guitar teacher - in my short student days - told me that each mode, in order to be expressed, have to be played over a certain chord. That chord can either come from a second guitar, or from one ...
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What is the use of the minor V chord in this song?

First of all, I would like to say hi since this is the first question I've had on this website. I recently came across Officially missing you by Tamia and when I look up the chord progression on ...
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Does Bill Conti's Thomas Crown Affair theme use a specific mode?

So I was watching The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) (The remake, not the original) and I was struck with the colors and general feel of the main theme, composed by Bill Conti. I immediately wanted to ...
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What is Vincent Persichetti saying about finding primary chords in the modes?

I'm really confused about what Vincent Persichetti wrote in his book Twentieth Century Harmony, where he says speaking of primary chords in modes, "The Primary chords are the tonic, plus two dominant ...
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Relationship between modes and keys

I watched a video about playing a lead/melody over the chord progression of A minor -> D major. In the video it was stated that these chords are from the key of G major, but since the "tonic" of the ...
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Two modes simultaneously?

In Yes' "Close to the Edge" (the song), there's a fast keyboard riff towards the end with the rest of the band playing accompaniment. But what I find odd is how keyboardist Rick Wakeman persistently ...
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In guitar, the best way to learn all scales (modes of natural, harmonic, melodic scales,etc) in every key is…?

In guitar, the best way to learn all scales (modes of natural, harmonic, melodic scales,etc) in every key is to memorize entire pattern of one scale in the neck like this or just memorize one shape ...
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Need suggestions for songs which use the Dorian mode [closed]

I'm a guitarist, and am looking for jazz fusion tracks with Dorian based solos (not necessarily on the guitar). I have came across So What by MD, and a few other pop ones. I'm exclusively looking for ...
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Modal confusion

I'm a novice in music theory. I was just improvising over a C-B7 progression and I can play the E harmonic minor and also Em pentatonic scale over this progression. What mode would they be if we take ...
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is this the key of Bb minor?

I'm transcribing a Cappella melody from audio. It's. Starts on Bb, but I had something that I don't understand. The melody uses G natural, C flat, and D natural. And I don't know now what kind of key ...
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Using the Circle of Fifths for Modal Music Key Changes: Is this oversimplifying?

I am learning about the modes, relative scales, and the circle of fifths. I am interested in adding key changes to my playing. I understand that if you're playing in, say C major, the easiest key ...
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Why are Ionian and Aeolian considered Major and Minor keys respectively, but not the other modes?

Why is the Ionian mode called a major key, and the Aeolian mode called a minor key, while the other modes aren't called "Keys"? F Major is relative to D Minor, and just so G Dorian is relative to ...
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Do scale degrees in modes have the same harmonic function they have in the major scale?

For example, is V the dominant in all modes?
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Why is the natural minor the most popular mode of the major scale?

The most popular scales are: 1. major 2. natural minor (aka aeolian, 6 mode of major). What was it about this mode that stood out compared to all the others. Is there a reasoning for this, or is it ...
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Meaning of Capitalization on The Notation of Gregorian Psalm Tone Endings

As you know, most Gregorian Psalm Tones have alternative endings. For example, Tone I has 10 possible endings. The endings are denoted by a letter and a number. I understand (correct me if I am ...
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Is it possible to find the mode of the borrowed chord?

I came across a piece which uses a dorian progression: i - IV - VII - III - ii7 - v - V V is a borrowed chord, but is it possible to determine from which mode this chord was borrowed? (lydian, ...
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Do any countries use scales apart from major and minor for their anthem?

I see countries just use either the major or minor scale. But I'm wondering if someone knows of a country that uses another mode (apart from major and minor scale) for their anthem?
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Questions about hexachord on p.31 of the Study of Counterpoint

p. 31 of The Study of Counterpoint by Johann Joseph Fux (translated by Alfred Mann) says: I don't understand what this page is telling us. I understand what a hexachord is. However, why note is G not ...
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How can a scale sound sadder/darker than the scale with the same key signature?

There is a general principle used to describe the intensity of a mode. The more flat notes there are in the formula of the mode, the darker it sounds. So the Locrian scale is the saddest/darkest mode, ...
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What is the a way to borrow a minor #3 chord into a minor scale?

I need an Dm chord in a song I'm analyzing, which is in C#m, however the software I'm using (Hookpad/Hooktheory) doesn't support key signature changes and thus I have to work around this by borrowing ...
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Modes of the “major scale” or modes of the “diatonic scale”?

I'm doing some studying and I think I have a solid grasp on how the diatonic scale was formed, and how it naturally has 7 modes depending on which note you declare to be the tonic. However, all over ...
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Playing E Aeolian over B Aeolian progression?

I have this simple Bm G F#m Bm / Bm G F#7 Bm chord progression. AFAIK, that means I'm in B Aeolian (in the key of D major) - plus that F#7 dominant chord that would put me briefly in B harmonic minor? ...
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“Tonal Tones” and “Modal Tones” - what do they mean?

Robert Rawlins in his Jazzology: The Encyclopedia of Jazz Theory for All Musicians shows this chart, in his discussion about the modes of the major scale: Rawlins doesn't seem to offer a clear ...
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What is the name of the scale E, F#, G, A, B, C, D#?

I am fairly new to music theory, and I came across this kind of scale from a piano piece. From what I can tell, this is just e minor with a sharp d. What would this scale be called?
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Having a set of notes from a song how can I find out the right key which is written in, from the possible ones (considering modes) that fit those?

Having a set of notes that fit in both the G major scale and D mixolydian scale how can I find out which key is it in? What if it's hard to even find the tonic, because maybe it is rarely used?
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Why did Beethoven include “in the Lydian Mode” in the title of String Quartet, Op.132 - 3?

Beethoven himself gave a title to String Quartet No.15 in A minor, Op.132 - 3: A Convalescent's Holy Song of Thanksgiving to the Divinity, in the Lydian Mode From the language and context, and ...
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Evil Twins? Modes vs Mirrors

I noticed that the algorithm for Phyrgian mode is the mirror image of that for Ionian: (Numbers indicate count of chromatic tones - 'semitones') Ionian: Root->2-2-1-2-2-2-1:Root Phyrgian: ...