Questions tagged [modes]

For questions concerning the musical modes. These can include historical views of mode by the Greeks or the various rotations of scale collections. Questions about historical views of mode should also include the history tag.

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Key signature for writing in modes other than major and minor

I have trouble deciding what accidentals to put in the key signature for pieces in Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian or Mixolydian modes. There seem to be trade-offs associated with each choice. For example, ...
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How should you apply the Nashville numbering system when a song is in a non-Ionian mode?

Ordinarily, Nashville numbering is simply used to denote the chords to be played according to the degrees of the scale, and where the chords vary, the custom is to use accidentals or additional ...
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Relationship between extended diatonic chords and modes?

If we have C major, the diatonic chords are: C, Dm, Em, F, G, Am, Bdim, C If we turn each of these chords to diatonic 13th chord versions of themselves: Cmaj13, Dmin13, Emin13, Fmaj13, G13, Amin13, ...
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Soloing over modulation: a specific case

Consider the following chord progression: G F#m G F#m G F# ...going on with G again... 1 measure each chord The melody is in key of D (at least until F#) Soloing over this progression requires me ...
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What determines which mode you're in? [duplicate]

I've learned all about modes, but there's something that confuses me. The G major scale contains the exact same notes as the A Dorian scale. So what determines which of those two scales you are ...
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How do you memorize the modes of the melodic minor scale on guitar?

I'm looking for ideas to memorize the 7 positions of the melodic minor on the guitar fretboard. Any suggestions? Is there a way to map each pattern to a chord shape? Or a way to quickly visualize the ...
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Help me figure out the mode of this Howard Shore piece

I have been trying to harmonically analyse this piece by Howard Shore called “Beyond the Forest”, an Elvish song from the Hobbit. I have included the sheet music below (page two is linked) and you can ...
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Strange out-of-key chords in Blow by Beyonce?

Can someone explain to me what is going on tonally in Beyonce's song Blow? The bass notes deceptively seem to suggest the chords in the verse are G major and F major. But these chords do not sound ...
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Question about George Russell Lydian Chromatic Concept

The wiki page says: Russell builds a prototype chromatic scale starting on the Lydian Tonic by stacking fifths, skipping the interval between the seventh and eighth tones. Using C as the Lydian Tonic ...
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Can a musical mode have more than one note for a given degree?

I know there's an exception for "melodic minor" (M7 ascending, m7 descending), but does the framework of musical modes support the notion in general? Put another way, are there any modes ...
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What is the difference between a mode and a scale?

I can't seem to find a straight definition for both.
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Do the stable tones in a melody change if a song changes from Aeolian to Dorian mode

I am learning a song that has a progression that is in A aeolian (or A phrygian) in the verse and then changes to D dorian in the chorus. I notice that the melody phrase ends on C and then A (stable ...
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What are some useful resources for modal study? [closed]

I'm looking for some useful historical references for modal study. Specifically, great books or texts on how modes evolved, progressed and became the elusive subject they are today. What resources ...
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Find out scale from these 3 chords

I am playing these 3 chords in the following sequence: AM - CM - DM What scale do they belong to? I first thought its A Mixolydian: // But this can't be it, because it doesn't have C#(used in A ...
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Is it possible to distinguish if a melody is in C Dorian or in D Phrygian?

(This is my first post in this community, I tried to search an answer about that basic question but it's not easy, so sorry if it is a duplicate) Since the C Dorian scale contains the following notes: ...
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Categorizing modes of scales other than major scale

Modes of major scale are often ordered such that each consecutive scale can be obtained by altering one step of the previous one: lydian 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7 ionian 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ...
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Mode mnemonics instead of memory

Does anyone know a mnemonic for modes? I am not asking how to remember what they are, Ionian, Dorian...etc.. I am asking about one that will enable me to know what the Dorian note is in any scales. I ...
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What is the difference between "primi toni" and "octavi toni"

In XVI century, there was a composer called Girolamo Cavazzoni. He wrote (amongst other pieces) a couple of Magnificats - in primi toni, quarti toni, sexti toni and octavi toni. You can find the sheet ...
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A Dorian scale/chord progressions

I'm currently jamming a song in G Major with focus on the A Minor. The chord progression goes Am C D. I know that the A Minor Blues Scale sounds pretty sleek, but I just have the feeling that A Dorian ...
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What do you mean by the tonic chord feels as 'home'?

I am new to the world of music theory and have some basic knowledge of the different modes of the major scale. As per my knowledge, every scale has a tonic chord which is essentially the one all other ...
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Do modes exist in the harmonic / melodic minor scales?

I'm trying to get my head around modes and the tonal center. In my understanding the natural minor scale is the same as the Aeolian mode. However, when considering the mix-up that happens in the ...
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What scale or mode is this?

The notes of the scale or mode in question are: G A B-flat D E F. Does this combination of notes have a name?
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What mode/scale are these notes in? [closed]

I have created a short melody that uses these notes: What mode contains these notes? I have tried Dorian, Aeolian, Lydian, Phrygian and Mixolydian by starting at the scale in each mode that contains ...
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Is there a theory of heptatonic scales with 1.5-step intervals?

I've been alternating between reading about music theory on Wikipedia and playing around with the scales that I've learned. The "modern Western modes" are defined systematically with their ...
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Understanding method of applying modes on chords

I am learning about modes and trying to apply them on guitar over chord progressions, and I wanted to understand how exactly to know, when you hear some song, "ah, this song allows me to play ...
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How to modulate Phrygian to Harmonic Minor?

Is there any formulation to switch from Phrygian mode to Harmonic minor in same key. Like from A Phrygian to A Harmonic Minor. What I thought so far? A Phrygian Notes: A Bb C D E F G A A Harmonic ...
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A natural minor scale with raised fourth

Good day I am trying to understand what scale/mode is created by raising the fourth of a natural minor. It sounds quite dark. I understand that natural minor is the Aeolian mode of the major scales, ...
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Why do modes sound so different, although they are basically the same as a mode of another scale?

I know my question sounds a little bit confusing, hence I don't have any idea how I could google that. Soo for example: a G Major Mixolydian scale has the exact same notes as the C Major Ionian scale....
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Modes — C Lydian feels like G Ionian [duplicate]

I've been studying modes recently and since I have a piano, tried to experiment with them by improvising simple tunes. My problem is that as soon as I use something else that Ionian, my perception of ...
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Music and Maths - Is there a way to prove that there are only 7 Modes of Limited Transposition?

'Modes of limited transposition' are modes that have a limited availability of transpositions. Unlike a major scale that has 12 possible unique transpositions, the seven modes of limited transposition ...
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Are the names of scale degrees the same for different modes?

Do the naming conventions and their implied function still apply to modes outside the major and minor scale?Is the minor second of the Phrygian mode called the supertonic?Is the augmented fourth of ...
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Why does my head fill in the 'home' note when playing a different mode of a harmonic minor scale?

I've been learning and experimenting with modes only recently, despite having played guitar for almost 11 years. In the past, I would use a "no-holds-barred, free-for-all" approach to ...
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Why is there no fourth minor scale with a natural 6 and a flat 7?

These scales are considered the minor scales: natural: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 harmonic: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 melodic: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 7 (ascending) However, this scale: 4th min: 1 2 b3 4 5 6 ...
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Help identifying cadences and modes in iidim7 - i - vidim - vsus4

I'm a beginner when it comes to modes and cadences, and I want to understand them better to improve my song-writing as a metal guitarist. While fiddling with my guitar today, I "wrote" this ...
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Different modes of pentatonic scale

Just as there are seven modes of the diatonic scale, I would expect five modes of the pentatonic scale. Have these been classified? Here they are, in the form of {semitone interval gaps} (Notes for ...
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How to know what mode a song is in? [duplicate]

I am learning songs that use modes and up until recently I thought I kind of had things figured out but there are some songs that still confuse me and I wanted to touch up on learning about some of ...
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Modal Chord Progressions [duplicate]

I understand how the modes sound different by targeting certain notes. That part is coming together aurally. What I don't understand is how a chord progression can be model. Since chord progressions ...
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What is the origin and original meaning of "tonic", "supertonic", "mediant", etc.?

Each of the pitches in the diatonic scale has a "name": tonic supertonic mediant subdominant dominant submediant subtonic I was first introduced to tonic, dominant, and subdominant in the ...
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Should mode names be capitalized?

I'm seeking opinions about whether to capitalize mode names in educational materials I'm preparing. In ordinary references (not in titles) should I use Dorian or dorian, Locrian or locrian? Here's a ...
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What are historical and structural reasons for the prevalence of Major and Minor?

Not knowing the historical reasons, I can at least think of structural reasons for having a diatonic scale, equal temperament or other circulating temperaments, and a distinction in major/minor in ...
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theory question: Key of D, the 2, 3, and 6 chords are shifting to major chords?

I am playing a song in the key of D (or B minor actually, which is D), but inside of the song, the 2,3 and 6 chords are changing to major chords instead of minor chords. Bm becomes B. E minor becomes ...
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Does this song have a key, and if so, what is it? [closed]

I'm writing a song where the notes do not align to any particular key. The way it works is this Chord 1 leads to Chord 2. Chord 2 leads to chord 3 but Chord 3 does not have to relate to Chord 1. Chord ...
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What harmonic resources underlie on Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage" song which make it so beautiful?

Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage" is in the key of DMaj (I) , but the second arpegio chord (and perhaps the one that gives to the song his special sound) is G7 (IV7), whose 7th is a note that ...
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Understanding modes

For some time I've been trying to understand modes. - I've read myriad posts, debates, and explanations, and have generally been left confused. But - I think I finally have a handle on it. Can anyone ...
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Is there a reason why "Scale Inversions" don't get discussed?

It only dawned on me recently, but it's quite a fundamental and important feature of scales that they are not mirrored under their own inversion. The intervalic formula for major is: W W H W W W H If ...
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How can we relate mathematic permutations to music?

For example: considering chord inversions, the harmony in general, the scales and the intervals and also for example the notes on the fretboard of the guitar we can have different permutations, some ...
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Do all modes make another mode when mirrored (i.e., intervals reversed)?

I may just being going crazy, but I was writing some music theory and noticed that if you reverse the whole steps and half steps of a mode it becomes another mode. (W= whole tones H= half tones) ...
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Are the notes in Blues scale in Am I Evil solo? [duplicate]

e|-11-12-11---11-12-14-14-14-12-11-12-11----|-----------------7---| B|---------12----------------------------12-|-10---------/7-------| I am analyzing the Guitar Solo of Metallica's cover version of ...
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Memorizing modes on guitar fretboard

I'm comfortable with all 5 basic box positions and 7 3-note-per-string patterns for diatonic scale. I can switch among these positions fairly well. Problem is, when I try to emphasize on a mode, it ...
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In Medieval music theory was the symmetry of dorian mode considered a kind of tonal fundamental?

This existing answer and comment (https://music.stackexchange.com/a/17818/23919) sort of addresses my question. I don't know anything beyond mode I was dorian, lots of music was dorian, and Fux starts ...

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