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Musical Form describes the large and small scale sections or divisions of a musical work. Use this tag for questions about the analysis, history, notation, or other aspects of musical form.

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Song structure in classical music vs EDM

I've been playing piano for a few of months, and of the couple of pieces I know, neither of them are particularly repetitive. I mean they definitely have repetition, but much less so than EDM (...
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Tchaikovsky's Chocolate (from the Nutcracker) [closed]

What form would you say this piece is? ABA?
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Isn't it obvious the pitch value alphabet language of music is Chomsky regular? [closed]

The formal language of music is the language of the pitch value alphabet A = 0, 1, 2,...N. The language is the set of all horizontal and vertical strings of pitch value letters (integers). Formal ...
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Can (Dal) Segno and (Dal) Segno Segno appear on the same bar?

This is a follow-up question to my previous question. I have made a transcription using Guitar Pro 8 of a song with the following structure: Intro, A, B, A, B, A, Coda Guitar Pro 8 outputs and plays ...
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How to notate two nested repeat loops (||: and :||) that finish on the same repeat finish sign :||?

I have made a transcription of a song with the following structure: Intro, A, B, A, B, A, Coda The score that I created is the following (the content of the bars was replaced by whole notes for ...
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Sonata form: Recapitulation example with first subject (group) only?

**Edited to be on-topic... Some resources I've found state that the recapitulation presents the first and/or second subject groups (in any order) in the tonic key. Today a colleague questioned the '...
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Do 20th- and 21st-century concerti still follow the expected forms of the 18th and 19th centuries?

When looking at opening movements of instrumental concerti in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, we see a pretty standard alternation of ritornello (orchestral-focused) and solo sections. These ...
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What is the form of the Commendatore scene in Don Giovanni?

The scene has 3 singers with orchestra. It is not a typical ensemble in that only one voice sings at any one time. It is rather an exchange of comments, particularly of demands with responses. I ...
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March form and instrumentation [closed]

I'm currently composing a Sousa-style march for concert band. I've made it through the intro and the first strain, but I only have a vague idea of where to go from there. I've played bassoon on ...
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What is the correct form of this piece?

In Schumann’s “Of Foreign Lands and Foreign People“, the sample test paper I have refers to it in ternary form. However, I can only see two distinct parts of the music (both of which are repeated). Is ...
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Why do some pieces in sonata form lack a development section?

This leaves only the exposition and the recapitulation sections. Such examples include the overtures to Rossini's La Gazza Ladra and The Barber of Seville, or the 2nd movement of Beethoven's Tempest ...
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Hip-Hop Song Analysis [closed]

A friend and I are delving into some UK Hip-hop and have been listening to the much older songs and analyzing their style. I was wondering if anyone would want to help and provide their detailed input ...
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What options do I have to utilize all my created riffs to their full potential?

Playing guitar, I tend to create a whole bunch of different riffs that flow one after the other in the same key. They all sound really good together but then I wonder how I could turn them into a song....
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Which musical form is a Trez(z)a?

Consider the Intrada con Trezza in D minor by J.H. Schmelzer. The score has two movements: Intrada followed by Treza. I wondered whether a Trez(z)a is some kind of musical form (like Menuet etc.).
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Is the Rondo in Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 15 ABABA?

I am going through listening exercises, and I am having a lot of trouble with recognising the Rondo Form. For example Mozart's Pinao Concert 15 - 3rd movement. Is this correct: A (16:52) B (17:48) A ...
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Is a section of music harmonically closed if the vi or IV chord is used instead of I?

If I have a phrase that ends on 1^ in the melody but instead of using the I chord I use vi or IV, would the section be harmonically closed? It is not the same as ending the melody on ^2 or ^5 over a ...
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How to write down form with varying rhyme schemes?

I have a 16 bar verse for a song and I am trying to figure out how to write down the form and rhyme schemes so I can reuse rhyming patterns that I like in future songs. So in my 16 bar verse my ...
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Does Mozart's 5th Piano Concerto Lack a Solo Theme?

As part of a listening exercise, I'm trying to assign various elements of double exposition form to the first movement of mozart's 5th piano concerto. Is it correct to say that it is missing a solo ...
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How to notate repeat section for lead sheet [duplicate]

I'm having trouble writing a compact lead sheet for a song with this form: A A B A B C B B How to write it with repeat sign without make it too confusing? Thank you.
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Trying to visualize Ternary Form with this piece

I am using this piece: "Ob ich manchmal Dein gedenke" (Josephine Lang, 1872) to try and visualize ternary form. I know the ternary form is ABA' but I am a little confused. Does it go A, then ...
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How is a phrase pattern subdivided and measured?

I am studying a song by the Beatles called We can work it out, and reading along Notes on the Beatles by Allan Pollack. He says: "The verses are indeed 16 measures long but are divided into ...
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Phrasing in "Melodie" by Robert Schumann

I took this piece by Schumann (Melodie) and am trying to identify the cadences. I have already started to try and identify the phrases first. I am unsure if the first system is one phrase. Any help ...
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Full bar rest at the end of piece

Béla Bartok's Mikrokosmos - Vol. I is a book of short and simple, yet quirky piano pieces. Piece No. 24. Pastorale is shown below. A full bar rest (for both hands) ends the piece. This is something ...
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im looking for a music type but i cannot find it [closed]

im not so much into music i don't even know what is the difference between pop and rock but recently i've been making movies and uploading them to youtube and i need music for my movies i often used ...
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What is the term for when a song switches to a wall of sound, often with a rising chromatic scale, and often found at the end of a song?

You often hear this at the end of songs when the lyrics end and it becomes a 'wall of sound' for want of a better term. Here's an example: Here's another example: ...
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Is coda the same thing as a cadence?

So a coda is "the concluding passage of a piece or movement, typically forming an addition to the basic structure" (Oxford Languages). A cadence, according to Britannica, is the ending of a ...
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Can a bridge be repeated?

A bridge is basically a section of the song that joins verses and choruses together, am I right? But can a bridge be repeated if the verse/chorus also repeats? I've tried Googling it, but I got some ...
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Is the 2nd movement of Mozart's Piano Sonata nº 7 in C, K.309, a "large rounded binary"?

My analysis of the form of the movement is, currently, that it is a large ternary with written out repeats of the main theme and the subordinate theme complex + return of the main theme together, ...
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Can an evaded cadence end the antecedent of a period?

I would especially like an answer in the context of the theory of formal functions, although input from other perspectives is also welcomed. The question arised when I was analyzing the main theme (or ...
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Should I lift my hand from the frets?

I'm new, working on learning hey there delilah, I was wondering if it's bad to slide my finger down and up the string since it's fast or if I should pick it up? Possibly a silly question, but I'm new ...
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Is the first theme missing from the Recapitulation of Mozart Violin Concerto No. 4 - K. 218 - Alegro?

I have just learnt about the Concerto Sonata Form and was trying to practice by listening to Mozart's 4th Violin Concerto K. 218. The teacher got us started, and I just want to see if I can finish ...
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How many movements can be in a suite, and how long / short can they be?

I've seen people on the internet argue a suite can only have up to 4 movements plus a prelude, others say up to 18. Is there a minimum / maximum amount of movements a suite has to have? And are there ...
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Is the Prelude of Bach's Cello Suite No. 3 (BWV 1009) in the form of A-B-A-C?

As an (elementary listening) exercise I am going through the 3rd Cello Suite and trying to recognize repetitions and phrases, etc. I managed to get through all the movements, except the Prelude. I ...
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How is an "eight-bar blues" different from just eight normal measures of music?

Just about everyone knows the twelve-bar blues, a common example of which would be something like: I | I | I | I | IV | IV | I | I | V | IV | I | I || I completely understand how this can be ...
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Can voltas be used mid-repeat instead of just at the end? [duplicate]

I'm writing an ABAB arrangement where the only difference the second time (apart from lyrics) is one extra bar (extra long pre-chorus, as it were) between A and B. I think it would help the musicians ...
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In music how much Research and Theories are Independent from Trends and Traditions? [closed]

What i belief that in music research and theories can't be certain unlike Mathematics, Science or somewhat Engineering discipline. I think that first any composition with/without song came first ...
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How to write proper repeat signs for ABABBCB form?

I'm trying to write down the melody of a song. It's in ABABBCB form, with a Coda. It also has a pickup measure. This is what I came up with. Is this correct? In the 2nd volta (ending), should it ...
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Is the volta ONLY used to mark unique end of a section or can it mark unique verse content within a section?

I have a three verse, two chord song: Verses 1 and 2 are a b c a b c d d e Verse three is a b c a b c a f g d d e Without writing everything serially, within a repeated section with lyrics listed ...
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Why Does Blues Have the first 4 Bars on the I chord?

Why is it so common to hold the I Chord for 4 bars? See other variations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues
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Can you write sonatas as a waltz?

I'm currently writing a sonata, and if I write the first movement normally with exposition, development and recap, but in 3/4 time and with that typical mm-BAP-BAP rhythm, would you still consider it ...
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Term for a musical section

I'm looking for the term for a a long, unique intro in a tune. It was prevalent in the mid-20th century in musicals and the like.
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What type of fugue occurs in Glazunov's saxophone concerto?

From Glazunov's saxophone concerto (op. 109) at 9:10 in this recording there is a fugue and I want to know what type it is. I've just started this sort of music theory ...
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How to tell the beginning and ends of phrases when there is no significant rest in the music?

I can't figure out where the phrases are in this piece of music and I am expected to draw brackets over them. There is no real rest or pause so I looked at where there is an end on the tonic note and ...
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How do I start a new phrase whilst modulating? [closed]

Hi guys, I have recently been composing and have run into an issue. I have finished a section with a perfect cadence (bar 52), and I would like to change to the subdominant key for the next phrase (...
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formal and harmonic analysis : Bortkiewicz op.40 n.4

I am trying to analyze a Bortkiewicz prelude, op. 40 n.4 in F# major, but I have some doubts. I divided the prelude into three parts: part A (bars 1-11) part B (bars 12-20) part A' (bar 21-29) coda (...
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What is the examples of frequency (pitch) in elements of audio [closed]

What is the examples of frequency pitch?
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How would I notate this custom repeat scenario with sheet music?

I am composing a song. It has 8 measures in the verse and 8 in chorus. I also have an 8 measure instrumental section that I would like to include, after the second verse and before the second chorus....
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Any tips on writing the structure of a song for a band which does not read music?

I am starting to play some pre-written songs with a band. These are written by the vocalist and we are trying to make a demo out of them. We (as a band) are having a hard time trying to remember he ...
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First Movement of Mozart's Horn Concerto no. 2, is it Sonata Form or Rondo Form?

So, I have come across an atypically structured first movement in Mozart's Horn Concerto no. 2 in Eb and I'm wondering if it is Sonata Form or Rondo Form, because it seems to have some characteristics ...
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How to balance my phrase structure? [closed]

I'm trying to compose a verse (with refrain?)-chorus (bridge?) pop song (optional: Instrumental intro, bridge before the final chorus, instrumental solo somewhere) about 3-4 minutes in length. I've ...
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