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Musical Form describes the large and small scale sections or divisions of a musical work. Use this tag for questions about the analysis, history, notation, or other aspects of musical form.

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Is the 2nd movement of Mozart's Piano Sonata nº 7 in C, K.309, a "large rounded binary"?

My analysis of the form of the movement is, currently, that it is a large ternary with written out repeats of the main theme and the subordinate theme complex + return of the main theme together, ...
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Can an evaded cadence end the antecedent of a period?

I would especially like an answer in the context of the theory of formal functions, although input from other perspectives is also welcomed. The question arised when I was analyzing the main theme (or ...
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Fusion of western musical instruments [closed]

Western musical instruments Western musical instruments images Trumpet and Saxophone Harpeji Western musical instruments video Is it possible to design and construct western musical instruments as a ...
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Should I lift my hand from the frets?

I'm new, working on learning hey there delilah, I was wondering if it's bad to slide my finger down and up the string since it's fast or if I should pick it up? Possibly a silly question, but I'm new ...
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Is the first theme missing from the Recapitulation of Mozart Violin Concerto No. 4 - K. 218 - Alegro?

I have just learnt about the Concerto Sonata Form and was trying to practice by listening to Mozart's 4th Violin Concerto K. 218. The teacher got us started, and I just want to see if I can finish ...
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How many movements can be in a suite, and how long / short can they be?

I've seen people on the internet argue a suite can only have up to 4 movements plus a prelude, others say up to 18. Is there a minimum / maximum amount of movements a suite has to have? And are there ...
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Is the Prelude of Bach's Cello Suite No. 3 (BWV 1009) in the form of A-B-A-C?

As an (elementary listening) exercise I am going through the 3rd Cello Suite and trying to recognize repetitions and phrases, etc. I managed to get through all the movements, except the Prelude. I ...
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How is an "eight-bar blues" different from just eight normal measures of music?

Just about everyone knows the twelve-bar blues, a common example of which would be something like: I | I | I | I | IV | IV | I | I | V | IV | I | I || I completely understand how this can be ...
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In music how much Research and Theories are Independent from Trends and Traditions? [closed]

What i belief that in music research and theories can't be certain unlike Mathematics, Science or somewhat Engineering discipline. I think that first any composition with/without song came first ...
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How to write proper repeat signs for ABABBCB form?

I'm trying to write down the melody of a song. It's in ABABBCB form, with a Coda. It also has a pickup measure. This is what I came up with. Is this correct? In the 2nd volta (ending), should it ...
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Is the volta ONLY used to mark unique end of a section or can it mark unique verse content within a section?

I see a three verse, two chord song, verse 1 and 2 are a b c a b c d d e Verse three is a b c a b c a f g d d e Without writing everything serially, within a repeated section with lyrics listed as ...
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Why Does Blues Have the first 4 Bars on the I chord?

Why is it so common to hold the I Chord for 4 bars? See other variations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues
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Can you write sonatas as a waltz?

I'm currently writing a sonata, and if I write the first movement normally with exposition, development and recap, but in 3/4 time and with that typical mm-BAP-BAP rhythm, would you still consider it ...
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Term for a musical section

I'm looking for the term for a a long, unique intro in a tune. It was prevalent in the mid-20th century in musicals and the like.
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What type of fugue occurs in Glazunov's saxophone concerto?

From Glazunov's saxophone concerto (op. 109) at 9:10 in this recording there is a fugue and I want to know what type it is. I've just started this sort of music theory ...
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How to tell the beginning and ends of phrases when there is no significant rest in the music?

I can't figure out where the phrases are in this piece of music and I am expected to draw brackets over them. There is no real rest or pause so I looked at where there is an end on the tonic note and ...
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How do I start a new phrase whilst modulating? [closed]

Hi guys, I have recently been composing and have run into an issue. I have finished a section with a perfect cadence (bar 52), and I would like to change to the subdominant key for the next phrase (...
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formal and harmonic analysis : Bortkiewicz op.40 n.4

I am trying to analyze a Bortkiewicz prelude, op. 40 n.4 in F# major, but I have some doubts. I divided the prelude into three parts: part A (bars 1-11) part B (bars 12-20) part A' (bar 21-29) coda (...
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What is the examples of frequency (pitch) in elements of audio [closed]

What is the examples of frequency pitch?
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How would I notate this custom repeat scenario with sheet music?

I am composing a song, 8 measures in verse and 8 in chorus. I also have a 8 measure instrumental I would like to include after the second verse and before the second chorus. For the life of me I can'...
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Any tips on writing the structure of a song for a band which does not read music?

I am starting to play some pre-written songs with a band. These are written by the vocalist and we are trying to make a demo out of them. We (as a band) are having a hard time trying to remember he ...
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First Movement of Mozart's Horn Concerto no. 2, is it Sonata Form or Rondo Form?

So, I have come across an atypically structured first movement in Mozart's Horn Concerto no. 2 in Eb and I'm wondering if it is Sonata Form or Rondo Form, because it seems to have some characteristics ...
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How to balance my phrase structure? [closed]

I'm trying to compose a verse (with refrain?)-chorus (bridge?) pop song (optional: Instrumental intro, bridge before the final chorus, instrumental solo somewhere) about 3-4 minutes in length. I've ...
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What is the relation of proportional schemes and the "golden section" to melody?

...And how is this reduction meant to be read? Taken from p. 66 of David Neumeyer's The Music of Paul Hindemith This is the beginning of the section on analyzing melodies, and it totally blindsided ...
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What is the difference between "32 bar form", "song form", and "ternary" with a repeated first section?

There are separate wikipedia articles for 32 bar form, but song form and ternary are in one article. From my understanding, repeats do not change the form in terms of classification, which is ...
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What are some techniques used to make a song sound more cinematic or invoke imagery in the listener?

Maybe cinematic is the wrong word to use(?). But techniques that might evoke imagery in the listener? Maybe for example: I know this is highly subjective and there’s ...
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What is it called when there is a slow point/pause in the middle of a song, before returning to normal speed and intensity?

In modern music such as as pop, rock and even dance music, there are times when the music builds to a certain high point (may not necessarily be the most intense point, but fairly intense) and then ...
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What is the difference between the bridge, the pre-chorus, and the middle 8?

For years, I have been understanding the bridge as the part leading into the last chorus, and pre-chorus as the part leading into the choruses before last. But recently I found out my understanding ...
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What would you call these song sections between the Verse and the Pre-Chorus?

I have attempted to identify the sections of this song, but I am not sure what to call the section between the Verse and the Pre-Chorus. I have labelled it as the Refrain. Is this correct? [Verse] I ...
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In your opinion, what song structure does Glasvegas's "Geraldine" follow?

I would argue that the song "Geraldine" by Glasvegas (embedded below) follows an AABA structure, as there is variation in the second A repeat; however, a melody from the original repeats ...
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Is there a way to notate the repeat of a larger section that itself has repeats in it? [duplicate]

Is there a way to notate the repeat of a larger section that itself has repeats in it, or is it best to give up and just write it out again?
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Analysis of Sonata form [duplicate]

I’m about to take my level 10 Harmony exam and I’m still kind of unsure about Sonata Form. Could someone give a (brief?) explanation of it? The textbook that I use does have a good explanation, but I’...
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Form in Mozart's Trio in B-flat Major K.502 I. Allegro

I cannot for the life of me figure out what the form is in Mozart's Trio in B-flat Major K.502, in the first movement. The continuously repeated theme leads me to believe that it would be some type of ...
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Horse hooves sound in the song background

I would like to know how the Horse hooves sound is recorded and played in the above songs URL? What are the sound recording & playback techniques to achieve this? Is it possible to extract only ...
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A vocalist musician beginner: hearing song structure

How to tell the parts of a song when I hear a beat? I mean if I find a beat that I love, how can I tell in which seconds the chorus, verses,bridge...? For example, what distinguishes the different ...
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Why is Fur Elise so heavy?

Fur Elise is a bagatelle, which means it should be light, lovely and mild. However, the second and third movement of Fur Elise isn't light at all. Why is it?
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Is there a name for this kind of a transition in songs?

In ALL ABOUT THAT BASE parody (Star Wars Parody - Meghan Trainor's All About That Bass), there's a certain transition / change near the linked time after "places" (the video has lyrics shown)...
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Middle 8 Confusion in "Yesterday"

In my understanding the middle 8 should provide contrast to a song with verse/refrain form. From the titles i've looked at, many middle 8's (and more generally, bridges) end on dominant harmony to ...
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Is there a definitive list of forms for classical music?

I am creating a classical Music song scraper, that takes disparate file names, ascertains its properties, and rewrites their titles in a uniform way and identifiable way. Some examples of the ...
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What is sufficient information to identify a classical music piece?

I am a software engineer, and I am downloading Public Domain Classical Music. The original filenames are an inconsistent mess, and I would like to correct that. I have some metadata at my disposal, ...
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What differs between the rondo and its Baroque counterpart, the ritornello?

So, ever since I heard the term ritornello, I have wondered what makes it different from the rondo. So I’ve listened to several pieces in ritornello form to try to find the difference, but I couldn’t. ...
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Which measures make up Beethoven Symphony No 5 Mvt 4 Opening?

I am preparing for a timpani audition at a local symphony and one of the excerpts is listed as, "Beethoven Symphony No. 5, Mvt 4, Opening." Is there a specific length of the opening? Perhaps the ...
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Where to cut off a sonata theme for Theme and Variations?

I am thinking of writing a Theme and Variations based on a sonata. With sonatas, I tend to gravitate towards the first movement, which is most often in sonata form, and this poses a bit of a problem. ...
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chorus construction in pop and rock

At the moment, I feel like my choruses are, in fact, just a slight and arbitrary variation in harmony from the verse. Switch to the ride cymbal and maybe play straight eight notes on the guitars, and ...
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Example of antecedent and consequent phrase with chords?

I am having trouble understanding the antecedent phrase (ends with a weak cadence) and the consequent phrase (ends with a strong cadence) (first and second parts, respectively of the "period") in the ...
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Is the Presto in Mozart's Divertimento in D in Ternary form or a Rondo?

I thought I had this settled in my mind that the Presto movement in Mozart's Divertimento in D is a Rondo. But the form of the movement is this: [: A :][: BA :] Where: A - Homophonic texture(...
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Dance of Nature Finale - Would Theme and Variations fit the best?

So I have been thinking about another piece lately, this one being a multi-movement work related to nature. I'm not sure if this will turn out to be a symphony or not. I certainly seem to be getting a ...
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Are Mazurkas a folk or classical form of music? I am asking from an ethnomusicological perspective

I am taking a course in ethnomusicology and I am asking this question from an anthropological perspective. I have to make a presentation on a folk music form from Europe and since I have learned a few ...
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Problems composing transitions and bridge passages

Background: I have been composing orchestral sketches (non-professionally) for some time now. I see the progress and notice, that everything becomes much simpler after practicing multiple hours a day (...
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What are the characteristics of Late Romantic Russian Music?

I've been recently listening to some late Romantic Russian music (Lyapunov, Kalinnikov, Tchaikovsky, etc.) and was wondering how best to mimic this style. So far, I've observed a handful of shared ...
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