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Ornaments or embellishments are musical flourishes that are not necessary to carry the overall line of the melody (or harmony), but serve instead to decorate or "ornament" that line.

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How to play this trill in Mozart's Piano Sonata 14 (K457)

How does one play this trill in this Mozart Sonata? Does it mean we play 3 notes (Eb, F, Eb) before the last two notes of the second bar? Or how many trills does one have to play?
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What does a mordent written to the left of a note mean?

In this arrangement of Wachet Auf, there are quite a few mordents sprinkled around, as well as trills and grace notes. I understand most of them, but in the middle of this excerpt, right before the ...
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Trill in Bach fugue WTC 1 BWV 851

In the second bar of the J.S. Bach d-minor Fugue in WTC 1 (BWV 851), we have How should this trill be played?
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Why is there so much dispute about how ornaments are supposed to be played in classical music?

It seems like almost every piece with an ornament has some argument as to how it is supposed to be played. For example, in my Alfred's edition of Fantaisie-impromptu, the footnote claims that the ...
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How do you practice trills on piano?

The title says it all: my trills on piano are really terrible, unless they are 1-2 or 2-3. Anything involving the 5th finger is especially awful. I have the same feeling of frustration of when I ...
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Do accidentals on ornaments apply to the same notes elsewhere in the measure?

In the first measure from this section of Schubert's Serenade, does the accidental on the ornamental C at the beginning affect the "regular" C that follows?
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Reinforcing meter when dealing with alternating 1/8 and 1/16 notes and rests

Below is an excerpt from a not very known piece (in 4/4 time) that prominently features abuses ornament notes: In an attempt to simplify the piece (which is full of similar ornamentation) while ...
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Chopin op. 28 no. 4 - bar 16 symbols

There are two symbols I do not recognise below the stretto in this excerpt: What are these symbols? And also, form what I read the stretto here should be interpreted as an accelerando, am I correct?
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Help with interpreting notation in Chopin's nocturne op. 9 no. 2

What are the following notations in Chopin's nocturne op. 9 no. 2: Tilde sign with accidentals: tr~~~ Striked note's flag: Small notes. (I know what mean single small notes right before a normal ...
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Unplayable turn in Beethoven sonata

Beethoven's piano sonata Op. 2 No. 3, first movement, bars 179-180 (Henle edition). The turn decorating each eighth note can be played literally. Except for the one on bar 179's A sharp, because ...
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How to determine the pitch of the auxiliary note in an ornament

I thought that the auxiliary note of a lower mordent (or other ornaments) was simply the note before in the scale unless the mordent had an accidental on top of it. However, I ran into this ...
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What is the point in writing an appoggiatura?

An appoggiatura is a small grace note written to suspend the resolution of a chord. It takes half of the actual note's value, usually. So, why write that when it could be written out with ordinary ...
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Different trill notations in Schubert piano music

I'm trying to teach myself some Schubert and am playing through Sonate 1 (Op. 42). The piece employs a lot of trills. However, there are two notations in use: tr and the up & down squiggle. Is ...
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Bach: How is this mordent to be realized? Why do people play it like a trill?

So, the old Invention No. 1 by JSB: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/7/72/IMSLP63611-PMLP03267-Bach_Oeves_Complets_Peters_Liv_7_BWV_772-786_2748.pdf The B on the 4th beat of the 1st ...
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Piano mordent with two notes

I'm trying to play Brahms' Hungarian dance №11 and there is a technical question. How do I play a mordent from the 4th measure? Whether both notes should be played with mordent or just the upper one? ...
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De-awkwardize middle G trill on recorder

The third movement of Bach's second Brandenburg Concerto calls for multiple trills on the middle G in F. The fingering is highly awkward because it is right between two registers and I am looking for ...
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Practicing Trills

The slowness of my trills is getting annoying. I am able to play Blue by Yngwie Malmsteen but yet fail at doing the trill in the intro. How can one practice to make them faster? Endurance is not an ...
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note cancelling or what is it called?

i came across a sign on my notation where a note is being played that is G after that there is a note in between e that is open but we first play it and then hammer on it... what is it called ?
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J.S. Bach: Prelude #1 for well tempered clavier: mordent

In a book with this piece given to me there is a mordent in tact 34: on the other hand when I downloaded the piece from the Internet, the mordent at this place was missing: So, did it exist in the ...
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Would an accidental in a mordant still be effective for the whole measure?

This is from Bach's Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue: This would obviously be played D, C#, D. Let's say that there was a C on the same octave later in that measure. Would the C be sharp?
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Strange Ornamental Symbol on Bach Piece

This is from the marvelous andante from Bach’s organ trio sonata BWV 528. What does this symbol mean on the stave of the second keyboard? I am assuming it is ornamental. Is it just a strange version ...
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Piano notation for trilling just one note in a chord?

I have a piano chord (specifically a triad), and I want to trill the note at the top. Is there any way to express this using musical notation? Also, if there is notation for this, how would I do it ...
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Grace notes: when are they played on the beat, and when are they played off?

Since my performance experience is mostly in music after 1850, and since my instrument very rarely has any grace notes, I've been mixed up for some time on how to play grace notes in different musical ...
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How to notate this ornament?

I'm transcribing a piano ballad by a contemporary-progressive-symphonic-chamber-rock band, and I have come across these two ornaments. Each first measure on the below image shows the passage without ...
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Can you help me expand this trill in Mozart's Sonata 16 (k545)?

I wonder if I am reading it wrong, or if i need much more practice on this segment. It simply doesn't sound right when I play it. Can you help me expand this trill into actual notes on the sheet ...
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Weird acciaccatura (?) notation in Chopin's polonaise

I am not sure how to interpret the particular notation in Chopin's Op.53 Polonaise: Here, we have a single (smaller font) Eb (just before the trill). I should interpret it as a grace note, but then ...
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Interpretation of Bach's ornaments

In some of Bach's works, this ornament, which contains twelve 32nd notes, seems to start once the above three 16th note have stopped, basically playing them during the rest... At least that's the way ...
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What does the plus (+) ornament mean?

I am learning a baroque piece on the recorder. Some notes have an unusual ornamentation symbol. How is a note with a plus sign over it played? It was suggested to play it as a mordent. Is that correct?...
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Horizontal bar in trill fingering

I'm looking at the Henle edition of Bach's WTC, specifically at d-moll Fugue (BWV 851), and in the second measure I see a trill: (This is András Schiff's fingering). What is that horizontal bar over ...
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Ornaments in J. S. Bach's 4th prelude

Inverted mordents and turns are frequently used in the prelude No.4 of J.S. Bach in C-sharp minor. In what follows I assume the key of the piece is known. My first question is related to the normal ...
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Need help understanding the double sharp turn in Chopin's prelude in e minor [duplicate]

I need help understanding why the notes in this turn are B-A#-Gx-A#. I don't understand how the double sharp affects the turn. I would assume that instead of A# being the "base note" (for lack of a ...
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Identifying piano notation symbol in Chopin Mazurka

I'm trying to identify what this symbol is (circled in pencil) in the sheet music for Mazurka no.4 op.17 by Chopin. It looks like two connected diamond shapes, and I can't find an explanation of it ...
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What does an apostrophe on top of a note mean?

In my music (Trombone/Baritone), I see an apostrophe on top of a few notes. What does this mean?
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Difference between a mordent and an appoggiatura in Chopin's Waltz in A minor (op. posth.)

The following are bars 34 and 35 of Chopin's Waltz in A minor (op. posth.) If I understand the notation correctly, the mordent in bar 34 should be played C#, D, C#. Why is it denoted differently than ...
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What is the correct way to play the two ornaments in BWV 541?

This Prelude and Fugue for organ has two ornaments in it, and those two ornaments, in the Urtext, are the same: In the middle of the Prelude (please excuse the score markings, and the "lighter" had ...
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Ornament Symbol for Triplet

I am writing a piece of music that has a lot of triplets used as ornaments. Is there a symbol like this: that will be played as as a triplet on the note? Example: note is G. With symbol over it, ...
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Notation for a turn with a half step

From what I've read, turns only seem to use the notes in the key, so if I'm in C Major, what would be the notation for a turn with G-A-G-F#-G ?
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Appoggiaturas not spelled out

Why are many simple appoggiaturas not spelled out? E.g., a quarter with an 8th note appoggiatura which would give the same as two 8th notes. One could notate many passages using appoggiaturas but ...
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What's the difference between the two arpeggio symbols (default and upwards)?

What is the difference between the symbol in the upper-left corner (with no arrow) and the one next to it (with an upwards arrow)? Aren't the two the same?
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Beethovens pathetique 2nd movement

Need help with the notation in Beethovens Pathetique 2nd movement. Bars 20 and 21.How are these played? What notes are played forthe ornamentation. Bar 20: Bar 21:
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Upper turn Nocturne

Hi guys, Anyone know the exact notes to play for this upper turn that is circled in red ?
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What are these small notated notes?

Does the size of the notes have any meaning or is this only for space purposes?
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Baroque mordent with leading “slur”?

I'm currently studying Bach's Harpsichord Concerto BWV 1052 on the piano and arrived at the second movement. In there, I noticed a mordent that I'm not all too sure how to play. Here's a picture, it's ...
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How to use Meend in Bansuri Playing

I am following tutorial to play Om Jai Jagdish Hare. The gentleman says we can use Meend in Bansuri. He explains it is a soft way to go from one note to the next. How would I do it. The video ...
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Appoggiatura and acciaccatura

Can you write the appoggiatura and acciaccatura after a note? I have always seen it before a note.
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Mordants: Auxiliary note is a note that has been modified by an accidental earlier in the measure. What do I play? [duplicate]

I was under the impression that whenever you see a mordant or a trill, the auxiliary note is the next note up in the key signature. But I'm a bit confused on how to proceed here. This is measure 57 ...
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Two different approaches to the mordent in one piece in baroque? [duplicate]

I've got a question regarding the mordent over the two different notes with different realization in Bach's Partita No.4 Aria (as in the image). The first one starts from a note above while the second ...
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Grace note in Bar 20 of Chopin's Op. 10 No. 3

What is the correct interpretation of the ornament in bar 20 of Chopin's Etude Op. 10 No. 3 — that is, the final full bar below: The recordings I've heard generally repeat the G# but not all of them ...
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When would Bach start an ornament- just before the beat, or right on it? [duplicate]

In his table (see below) , all examples seem to start ON the beat, not before it. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Bach-ornamentguide.jpg
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Are grace notes ever notated with notes of exact duration?

I’m learning a new piece of music that has a couple of Grace notes in it which has led me to wonder if it had a unique use or were there other ways of writing the piece using, for example, a one ...