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Melodic minor: Does 6 get raised when descending and then ascending immediately?

I found this embellished suspension in C minor: The notes between S and R embellish the dissonant S. You can see that the leading tone 7 is raised in both descending and ascending directions, as well ...
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Is there a scale called the relative minor scale?

A book I'm reading Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory Minor Scales (pg 90-91) says Every major key has a RELATIVE MINOR KEY that has the same key signature. Each relative minor scale begins on the ...
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How are pentatonic scale degrees listed?

I'm aware that the origin of the pentatonic scales probably preceded the diatonic scales, so does that mean that the designation of scale degrees for a pentatonic scale would be 1,2,3,4, and 5, or is ...
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Pat Martino's parental forms. Can you go deeper?

I have been studying Pat Martino lessons on the parental forms. It absolutely blew my mind that if you lower any note a halfstep in a augmented triad you get a major chord. And if you raise a note you ...
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Does this chord fit D minor?

Is it ok to play a g flat chord in a D minor scale? Basically I wrote a song where one riff plays a G flat at the end of it then goes right back to a D minor chord. It’s a rock song. It sounds cool ...
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Intervals in scale context

Does the intervals in a scale context sounds different from playing it without any notes in the middle? example to clarify: if i played the major scale ascendingily (C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C) does every ...
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Correct Numbering for Scale Degrees

For ever, I've only called scale degrees by their (Arabic) numbers. As opposed to chords, where I use Roman Numerals. Now, I've found out they really ought to have carets, or circumflexes over them. ...
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Could one make a piano with all notes placed on narrow white keys?

This piano would include every note normally on a piano, just without any visual distinction between the accidentals and naturals. The keys would be narrower than normal white keys, but, I think, not ...
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Properly listing notes on a scale by following the 3 guidelines: Alphabetical, No Repeats/Omissions, Don't Mix Sharps or Flats [duplicate]

My question specifically addresses the G Harmonic Minor scale, which I always see listed as: G, A, Bb, C, D, Eb, F#, (G). The scale is listed alphabetically but it contains a mixture of 2 flats and 1 ...
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If I'm playing the V in G can I use the D major scale to transition back with a fill

If I play a melody on the V that leads back to G is it incorrect to play the major scale from D since it contains a c#?
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Why does Tritone sound good in Lydian scale? [closed]

I was playing this song by Whitesnake, "Still of The Night", on the Guitar. In the middle part (2:51 n the video below), the guitarist John Sykes starts playing this beautiful Lydian sound ...
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Is the melodic minor a key as well as a scale?

The title, basically. I always understood that the natural, harmonic and melodic minor scales were 3 different scales deriving from the same "minor" key. I hear people talking about a ...
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using scales as a tool to identify lick [duplicate]

I am learning how to play Children of the Sea by Black Sabbath. A tab that I found on the internet seems pretty accurate and straightforward, though I found the video of this guy playing and I found ...
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How to know in which scale i am from the notes of a melody? [duplicate]

Is there a way to know in which scale a melody is? I have no musical lessons and i learned the minimum that i know from the internet but i think i have some basis (or i want to think it at least). My ...
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Difference between the Persian and Double harmonic scales

By looking at Wikipedia, both Persian and Double harmonic scales seem pretty different. However, I have a book about scales for guitar where I found this Persian scale which, to me, sounds exactly ...
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Help understanding frequency ratios and string length

This music book I'm reading taught me about frequency ratios as the basis for scales, but it doesn't explain it well enough for me, so I'm trying to learn more about it on my own. I want to know how ...
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Does the same key have both major and minor pentatonic notes?

When guitarists (or musicians for that matter) talk about keys. For example they say that they are in the key of A. Does it mean it could be either A major or A minor or both? Another example: Some ...
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What comes after Locrian?

I've been playing around with octatonic and enneatonic (sp?) scales of 8 and 9 discrete notes (not including the octave, of course). For the modes, this leaves one or two missing terms for the 8th and ...
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D major in F major progression?

So i've started new in music theory and i'm guessing the chords to this neo oriental song and i've noticed that the chord progression goes like: Gm - F - Bb - D(hammer on G note (Dsus4)) and it seemed ...
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Completing a chord progression

I am looking to complete a chord progression of 3 chords that I try to identify first before continuing the progression. However having no theoretical background I am struggling if you could please ...
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Triads derived from the different types of minor scales

"The type of triad on each degree of a minor scale is the same for every harmonic and melodic minor scale" in TCL grade 6 theory. What is meant by this? I guess the types of chords are major,...
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Why do some extended chords have three added notes?

As I understand it, a basic chord is built of three notes, which can be harmonized in different octaves. It's always the first, third, and fifth to make up a basic chord. An extended chord then adds a ...
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What is the scale that contains Bm, B♭m, Gm chords?

I like band Emperor and their guitar riffs. They often use Bm, B♭m, Gm chords progression but I don't understand what scale is this. It looks like B harmonic minor but this scale doesn't have F note ...
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When transposing songs from major key to minor key, should it be natural minor or harmonic minor?

I noticed that people can transpose songs from major key to minor key vice versa, but I'm wondering that should a major key be transposed to natural minor or harmonic minor? I'm confused
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Are there any practical differences in the scales and arpeggios required by ABRSM for different instruments?

ABSRM separately publishes books of scales and arpeggios for each instrument. See this for example But surely the scales are the same no matter the instrument. I couldn't find contents lists for the ...
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D Mixolydian key: is it possible?

About the song linked below, is it right to say that its key is D Mixolidyan? Verse: D Am C G D Chorus: D Am D Am C G D The reason I'm asking this ...
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Soloing over modulation: a specific case

Consider the following chord progression: G F#m G F#m G F# ...going on with G again... 1 measure each chord The melody is in key of D (at least until F#) Soloing over this progression requires me ...
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What are scale degrees?

I heard my band teacher talking about "scale degrees" and do not understand what he means.
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What determines which mode you're in? [duplicate]

I've learned all about modes, but there's something that confuses me. The G major scale contains the exact same notes as the A Dorian scale. So what determines which of those two scales you are ...
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What is the difference between an augmented and diminished scale?

I understand little music theory, so I do not understand the difference between an augmented and diminished scale.
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Where do Zeitler's scale names come from?

On Ian Ring's music theory website, a massive number of scales (1490) have "Zeitler" names. Some names are common (like Mixolydian) but others (like Dydyllic) I cannot find any reference to. ...
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Major Harmonic chords - Fourth degree, substitute for min/maj chord

Please see below for F#/Gb Major Harmonic four note chords which I made. You will notice the fourth degree shows as a min/major 7th chord (which doesn't sound too bad). But, what is considered a good ...
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How do you memorize the modes of the melodic minor scale on guitar?

I'm looking for ideas to memorize the 7 positions of the melodic minor on the guitar fretboard. Any suggestions? Is there a way to map each pattern to a chord shape? Or a way to quickly visualize the ...
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Can I skip learning minor scales if I learned major ones?

I learned the basics of the piano mostly from YouTube, intervals, various chords formulas including sevenths, diminished but I try to very closely follow the best practices. I learn inversions and ...
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Should I learn a new minor scale pattern, or "reframe" a major scale pattern?

I'm confident with the major scale pattern in the image. Now I'm looking to learn a minor scale pattern to use for soloing or playing in minor keys. It seems in my mind that I could simply "...
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Three different diminished scales?

I'm reading about some jazz stuff, and get told there are ony two whole tone scales, and three diminished scales. The whole tones are pretty obvious - once you get past the second semitone, you're ...
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Box shape for diminished scale on bass guitar

Does anyone have a box shape for a diminished scale so I can find it quicker on the fretboard?
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In the Lydian Chromatic Concept, how are the horizontal scales formed?

In George Russell's The Lydian Chromatic Concept of Tonal Organization, he introduces the notion of "horizontal scales": They are horizontal because they include the fourth degree in their ...
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Outside of Equal Temperament, what decides the spelling of notes in a major scale?

I've been reading up on the history of temperament, and how enharmonic notes are more of a limitation of the modern piano (only one black key), and also mathematically they are the same if you use ...
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Ab dorian b2 = Bbb as second note, right?

As the title suggests. When playing the Dorian flat 2 mode in Ab, the second note would be called a Bbb right?
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Why is there no "half/minor-third augmented" scale?

I don't have a lot of formal music training so this may well be a dumb question, but I've been looking at this off and on for a while and I can't figure out why this particular scale doesn't seem to ...
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Strange out-of-key chords in Blow by Beyonce?

Can someone explain to me what is going on tonally in Beyonce's song Blow? The bass notes deceptively seem to suggest the chords in the verse are G major and F major. But these chords do not sound ...
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Why does a B major scale work against an A major chord?

I can hear that soloing over an A major chord using a B major scale "works" but I am curious as to the musical theory why it works? I know the C# and E contained in the B major acale are the ...
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Confused as to why one scale fits four different chords

I'm learning the bass guitar. I'm looking at a song called "Bling Thing" in the Rockschool Grade 4 book. On YouTube in the bass guitar backing track this part begins at 0:48. ...
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How to calculate the extra semitone in one circle of fifths

This is an extension to my previous question when I tried to do the math to prove the following statement: going up 12 perfect fifths takes one up 7 octaves plus one-fourth of a semitone extra Going ...
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Why are the frequency ratios of notes in the Pythagorean scales 9/8 and 256/243?

In Pythagorean tuning, for every 7th semitones the frequency would increase by a factor of 3/2 (to get that harmonious perfect fifth). If the frequency of C4 is set to 256Hz, the frequency of G4 can ...
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What are some techniques for changing scale convincingly? [duplicate]

I am having trouble changing scales smoothly when composing, it always seems that the two parts are not connected and the change is sudden. I want to know some techniques so I can do that convincingly ...
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Sweet child - scale and chord discrepancy

This is not about "identifiying a chord". The chord is already identified. This is about how a chord can be replaced with another, changing the flavor of a song. I have played the rythm ...
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How does one analyze a song that moves primarily between two non-diatonic chords?

The score for 'The Simple Life' by Jerry Martin indicates three flats, which would typically mean either Eb major or C minor. However, almost the entire song just moves back and forth between Bb major ...
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How was mixolidian mode introduced in Northeastern Brazilian Music?

Northeastern region of Brazil has a great variety of traditional and folkloric music genres. The most well-known genre is forró, followed also by baião and xaxado. These music genres are usually ...

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