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Hopefully these examples of 5/4:4/4 polymeter and 5:4 polyrhythm clears it up. Polymeter Here is a simple example of 5/4 over 4/4 polymeter notated in 4/4 time. Notice how voice A's meter is five beats (the accents illustrates the starts), while voice B's meter is four beats, and they are sort of modulating over each other. After 20 beats their accented ...


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Where did you find this? It is notated extremely poorly and the division of the beats is not intuitive by looking at it. I am not surprised you are having trouble with it. I would, too, and I am an excellent sight reader. When I have difficulty seeing the rhythm between hands (which only happens when I am reading very slow Bach pieces written with loads of ...


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The pattern you describe is a 2:3 version of the bossa nova pattern (or clave), also called Brazilian clave. Shift the order of the first and second halves and you have the original 3:2 bossa nova pattern. See also Bossa Nova Note: If the link doesn't bring you to the section about the bossa nova pattern on the Wikipesia page on claves, then just search for ...


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Do the math. Practice by tapping your hands on your legs. Start with 3 against 2. Move on to 4 against 3. You do this one by breaking it up into 12, so: | | | | . . . . . . . . . . . . | | | So, count the periods, tap the top bars with one hand, and the bottom bars with the other. Now, how do you do, say, 5 against 3? ...


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Is “Polyrhythm” a melodic principle? Not specifically, but as melodies have rhythm, any rhythmic considerations can apply to melodies. What is a polyrhythmic melody? It could mean a couple of things: a melody that is set against parts with different rhythms in a polyrhythmic piece a melody that itself exhibits more than one identifiable rhythmic pulse ...


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It appears that there is not consensus on how these polyrhythms should be played. I have not yet found anything on your (a) case, but have some information about your (b) case. The quotes are long, but I think seeing the author's reasoning is helpful. Johann Quantz, in his treatise On Playing the Flute, late 1700s, holds that dotted rhythms are non-literal ...


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It's a bit simpler than that. Syncopation is accenting the off beat, especially accenting in between beats. For example, "Superbad" or "Mother Popcorn" by James Brown. A single rhythm can be syncopated. It's just an unusual stress pattern. Polyrhythm is playing two rhythms at once. For instance, on the piano, playing straight eighth notes (quavers) on the ...


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Polyrhythms, especially more complex ones like this, make much more sense if you chart it out. Find the least common multiple. In this case, its 51. List out all numbers between 1 and 51. Circle every 17th number. Square every 3rd number. What you have left is a way to count any given polyrhythm. Obviously the larger your multiple, the harder it is to ...


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Sorry about the delay. First thing, Samba is basically 4/4 or 2/4, I really can't remember any song with odd time signature. If you do, please let me know! I like listening to odd time signatures. The thing is, while being very "simple", Samba is also very complicated. As you noticed, you have a lot of different types of it. I'm not a Samba expert, but I ...


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From my experience, the feel is the most difficult thing to get familiar with in music. It takes years and years of playing and listening the kind of music (it might not be so many years on some kind of musics). Since you want to learn, you might want to start with some more simple percussive rhythms. At first, it won't be the result you want right now, but ...


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The way I approach polyrhythms is this: I break them down much as you do, in terms of their lowest common denominator, but I try to memorize the sound of the pattern right away and not rely on seeing it graphically. At UC we learned an example for two against three: "FARMS in BERkeley". I then practice it in many different ways- tapping the two parts with ...


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I worry that your quoted source isn't the best; "meter is the rhythmic structure of the music" is not a very good definition. Here, for instance, is a better and more concise definition: Meter refers to the grouping of accented and unaccented beats into recurring patterns. (Steven Laitz's The Complete Musician) (Other books/authors, like Lerdahl/...


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Bars 1 through 5 are identical rhythmically. I suggest just playing the 1st (or 3rd) bar over and over until you get it. then move to bar 2 (or 4). This will remove one thing to think about making it just a little bit easier. Secondly, forget tempo for a minute and just play the notes one 16th beat at a time as slowly as needed, even if it is not constant. ...


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What is happening is that they change the interpretation of the rhythm of the repeating melodic figure. First you have a triplet or 12/8 feel, where each note of the melodic figure is interpreted as an eighth note (or eighth triplet, if you think in triplets). Here you have four beats before the pattern repeats. Then the same melodic figure (continuing at ...


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Polymeter : different voices/instruments that play different meters that desynchronize themselfs (a 9/8 piano part against a 4/4 drum part, or 7/8 on a 3/4 Polyrythms : different subdivisions that fit in the same bar. The classic Christmas tune "Carol of the bells" is an example of 2 against 3. Traditional cuban rumba, and lots of west African drum rhythms ...


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Sadly, I can't answer your question in whole. In fact, I would love to see a good, definite answer on this myself. But I think I can address at least some parts: Am I missing any special tuplets? As far as the rhythm alone is concerned, you're not. (And as far as I know.) BUT... Is there a difference between say, a sextuplet and two triplets, or a ten-...


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Fantasie Impromptu contains polyrythms. A "Polyrythm"is the use of two different rythms playing together, and the Fantasie Impromptu also has a Polyrythm. The right hand plays semiquavers, while the left hand plays triplets. This piece is quite similar to both his Etude Op.25 No.1 and No.3. You can take one part of these two pieces and practice it. So ...


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A polyrhythm is strictly a rhythmic phenomenon. What Wikipedia is referring to maybe not in the best worded way is that the Sub-Saharan instruments are created in a way that makes putting a melody to the polyrhythms and performing them on pitched instruments easier. The Wiki goes on to talk about the instruments and the features they have like having the ...


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I am doing this piece, and have "finished" the piece within 5 months (1h/day) and am right now polishing it. This is how I attempt most pieces. Note that this post is not a "for dummies" guide. (Note 1 : Keep in mind that what makes this piece sound beautiful is that throughout the chaos of all the notes, there is an accented melody throughout the piece. ) ...


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I would start by listening to a few different Brazilian Samba pieces and just try and count them. After a while, you should have an idea what kind of time signature they follow. From there I would notate what beats are accented. From that you should be able to understand the feel and make a drum track that has a similar feel. It may not be the exact same, ...


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On first glance, your rhythm appears to be a slightly-modified 2/3 clave. As you can see from the linked article, the clave rhythms (so named because, in some styles, the rhythm is played on the claves) are a subject of some controversy. One way to classify clave rhythms is "2/3" versus "3/2", depending whether the first half of the pattern contains two ...


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Personally I play a lot of Baroque music and I almost always match the triplet, as you indicated above. Ever Baroque musician I've worked with does the same, with very few exceptions. I have heard some arguments over the gigue in Bach's 6th partita, but generally I hear that performed as though it's all written in triplets. My experience of baroque music ...


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BobRodes answer is great, giving you both good suggestions for the kind of polyrhythms to get started with, and a good approach to trying them out (with universal instruments; your hands and legs!) Below is a simple approach for playing these kind of polyrhythms on guitar: play the bottom notes with your right-hand thumb; the top notes with your right-hand ...


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The first thing you should do is practice each hand separately and begin trying to feel the "pulse" of the half notes. Then I would try to split up the tempo. Notice that the time signature is written in cut time. Try to play it in 4/4 time (with a triplet per beat). Start at quarter note = 80 and make your way up to quarter note = 160 (your goal) so that ...


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The purpose of measure numbers is to refer to points in the music, for example in rehearsal. In polymeter music where bar lines don't line up between staves/parts, it's hopeless to try to refer to a point in the music by measure numbers. Use rehearsal letters where things do line up, and don't number the measures at all between them.


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Your "the rhythm is too complicated for me to play slowly and precisely" reminds me of an amusing story. Once, when I was six years old, I turned on the hot water in the bathroom. It wouldn't get hot (I waited and waited, of course) so I left it running, went downstairs, and asked my father to fix it. He said "Let it run a little longer." Well, I had tried ...


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In my experience, polyrhythmic music involving a 3:4 polyrhythm against a 4-beat meter, as in your second example, is better conceived in terms of 12/8. A true juxtaposition of 4/4, one that is subdivided in a duple fashion into eights and sixteenths, against a true 3/4 interpretation of the same span isn't something I've ever encountered in musics that have ...


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I've spent years figuring out this problem. The best way to do it i've found is to learn songs which feature the polyrhythms in question. I'll start with a great video by Guthrie Govan that I Looooooove for understanding odd note groupings. Check out Steve Vai's Tempo Mental page on his website. that will give you a ...


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