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Perhaps looking at the mediant and submediant chordchords would provide more claritybetter clarify my question. In major and harmonicIf melodic minor thatis really used to generate chords the mediant would be Am7E♭+ andor as a functional Roman numeral A♭Δ7III+ respectively, but inIn melodic minor the submediant chord would be Am7♭5 or as a functional Roman numeral Aø7.

I'm not asking if it's theoretically possible. Of course it's possible.

But I'm looking for either jazz compositions using melodic minor this way or confirmation that melodic minor is used to play overreal examples in jazz using such chords but not generate chords. I suspect they aren't used or are very rare.

Perhaps the submediant chord would provide more clarity. In major and harmonic minor that chords would be Am7 and A♭Δ7 respectively, but in melodic minor the chord would be Am7♭5 or as a functional Roman numeral Aø7.

I'm looking for either jazz compositions using melodic minor this way or confirmation that melodic minor is used to play over chords but not generate chords.

Perhaps looking at the mediant and submediant chords would better clarify my question. If melodic minor is really used to generate chords the mediant would be E♭+ or as a functional Roman numeral III+ In melodic minor the submediant chord would be Am7♭5 or as a functional Roman numeral Aø7.

I'm not asking if it's theoretically possible. Of course it's possible.

But I'm looking for real examples in jazz using such chords. I suspect they aren't used or are very rare.

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While jazz harmony is chromatic some fundamental jazz harmony is diatonic. I suppose that could be re-stated as to the extent jazz harmony refers to chord function there needs to be some kind of key or tonality established. In this context diatonic means major scale or one of the minor scales.

Dm7 G7 CΔ7 is based on the major scale.

Dm7♭5 G7♭9 CmΔ7 is based on the harmonic minor.

Is the melodic minor used in the same way?

Dm7 G7 CmΔ7 would be based on melodic minor.

Dm7♭9 G7♮9 CmΔ7♮9 using ninth chords would make the melodic minor tonality clearer.

Perhaps the submediant chord would provide more clarity. In major and harmonic minor that chords would be Am7 and A♭Δ7 respectively, but in melodic minor the chord would be Am7♭5 or as a functional Roman numeral Aø7.

I'm looking for either jazz compositions using melodic minor this way or confirmation that melodic minor is used to play over chords but not generate chords.


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While jazz harmony is chromatic some fundamental jazz harmony is diatonic. I suppose that could be re-stated as to the extent jazz harmony refers to chord function there needs to be some kind of key or tonality established. In this context diatonic means major scale or one of the minor scales.

Dm7 G7 CΔ7 is based on the major scale.

Dm7♭5 G7♭9 CmΔ7 is based on the harmonic minor.

Is the melodic minor used in the same way?

Dm7 G7 CmΔ7 would be based on melodic minor.

Dm7♭9 G7♮9 CmΔ7♮9 using ninth chords would make the melodic minor tonality clearer.

Perhaps the submediant chord would provide more clarity. In major and harmonic minor that chords would be Am7 and A♭Δ7 respectively, but in melodic minor the chord would be Am7♭5 or as a functional Roman numeral Aø7.

I'm looking for either jazz compositions using melodic minor this way or confirmation that melodic minor is used to play over chords but not generate chords.

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