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I can improvise relatively freely over standards when using a moderate variety of voicings in the left hand.

I can improvise basslines reasonably well over right hand voicings.

Given I'm a recreational player who progresses slowly, what steps might I take towards simultaneous and different left and right hand improv?

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    What style are you interested in? Have you studied any jazz piano transcriptions? Oct 24 at 20:03
  • No. Not really. I'm mainly self-taught out of the jazz Real Books. I'm after any 'tricks', if they exist, to free up the brain to allow hand independence, but I realise this is a big ask. Oct 25 at 6:00

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I that situation, I would craft multivoicing on both hands and polyrythmm and hand independence with:

  • Bach fugues, for all kinds of levels, eg., Die kunst der fuge, or Toccata, which have a generous part of improvisation which you could replace by your own improvisations, and therefore can be very interesting for you.

  • Bartok's mikrokosmos can be very useful for polyrythm and all kinds of independences for beginners; you may add you own improvisation on top of that or in the style/genre of that.

  • Ligeti Riccercata 7 and études are also wonders for this craft, and eventually you may add you own improvisations based on those pieces.

  • Many more contemporary fugues can be interesting too eg., Shostakovitch's

This section is definitely not for beginners, but it may be very useful for few readers.

  • Godowsky études for the left hand can be very useful to improve the left hand possibilities such as multivoicing, speed, strength and mental representation eg., the beautiful 2 and 13, and few other études for polyrythm and independance, such as 4 and 25. One can also find two multi pieces merging (played at the same time).

  • Stravinsky's Petrouchka display various polyrythm, false bars, and independance challenges eg., accumulation of melodic differences or various (orchestral) counterpoints.

The ability to improvise with both hand or counterpoint should come with this crafting and improvisations in general, and improvisations

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  • Your answer will likely be useful to many others here. I, however, am a relatively lazy beast who hasn't learnt a proper, fully-transcribed piece of music since roughly 1988. I'm not expecting anything more than your answer, but if you have any drills or other practice routines you might recommend in the lieu of actual pieces, I'd love to hear them. Oct 24 at 17:33
  • @Futilitarian Then improvise the way of those pieces or concepts.
    – Soleil
    Oct 24 at 20:55
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I can share some ideas of how I have pursued jazz piano, but hopefully you will get a better answer from someone with bona fide jazz piano skills.

Look at some transcriptions to see what jazz pianists actually play. Keep in mind transcriptions are not lead sheets as you have seen in fake books. Transcriptions are note for note attempts to notate exactly what was played on actual records. Here are two examples...

Red Garland on Blues by Five from album Cookin' with Miles Davis:

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Bill Evans intro to Green in Blue from album Kind of Blue:

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You can even try searching songs you know and like in YouTube with the word "transcription" to get transcriptions and audio...

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Of course you may have the same reaction that I have when listening and reading those transcriptions: I guess I'll just study up and become Fats Waller or Bill Evans. No problem!

Obviously mere mortals like us need something practical to go with studying geniuses.

For me I've tried two things: playing simply stride style with straight forward melody, and basic application of "block chord style" to straight forward melody. By "straight forward" I mean unembellished as it appears in original published form.

That leads to a short digression about lead sheets and original published scores and original records. They are all different. Recently I've found lead sheets from fake books to be so bad that I've tracked down whatever original published version of jazz standards and made my own lead sheets to get basic melodies with chords from the original music. It boggles the mind what people can do to simple harmony like I6 vi7 ii7 V9 in fake books. Sure, when you play a song you can reharmonize and elaborate, but for study that's what you get from transcriptions and recordings. But for a lead sheet I prefer the tune with chord symbols based on the original published form when a published form is available. My main point, beyond ranting about fake books, is watch out when trying to reconcile a fake book version with a transcription/recording of a song.

Getting back to building up piano skills to play something like the transcriptions of the greats, here are two samples of how I've tried playing stride and block chord styles, first one is my own tune, the second is Polka Dots and Moonbeams...

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...the treatment is sort of a mechanical etude, but it's just so I can develop basic skills for two textures.

Your goal is to integrate the two hands. I think that should focus on rhythm with attention to composite rhythm, what notes coincide with the beat, and where chords are placed relative to the beat. Try to differentiate those aspects in regard to style.

The Red Garland transcription sample is to me a typical example of a fast bop style of piano. I notice that the "horn line" in the right hand keeps a steady flow and includes hits on the beat while the chord is not on the beat but comes on the up beat at the "duration" in the harmonic rhythm sense. In other words, the chord harmonic rhythm is basically one chord change per two beats. But the chord is played in the left hand only on the up beat of each two bar duration. I see that in other fast tempo transcriptions.

In the slow ballad example from Evans and the stride example from Waller, the chords come right on the beat with fairly steady even durations. In other transcriptions of Red Garland he handles rhythm similarly for ballads.

You could take some of the song you have worked on already, look up some transcriptions, compare the rhythmic handling, and make whatever adjustments are needed to get your rhythmic playing more like the transcriptions.

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  • The suggestion to focus on composite rhythm (esp. with a standard I already know) is an example of just what I'm looking for and I'm sure it will prove useful. I'll pull up a few of my favourite Miles/Garland albums. Will leave question unanswered for now to encourage any other tips. Oct 27 at 2:25
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Given I'm a recreational player who progresses slowly, what steps might I take towards simultaneous and different left and right hand improv?

I think key is so called automation, e.g. like this:

  • come up with one (or a handful of) improvisation(s) you enjoy
  • get the mechanics (fingering) and sequences right in super-slow-motion (i.e. neglecting any timing)
  • once finished, involve your metronom (or drum track, which may be more enjoyable)
  • increase tempo until you reach your daily limit in tempo
  • next increase gradually 3 times by 1 BPM
  • stand this "stress" a while, each
  • after a while decrease again to what your current tempo-limit was
  • does it still feel as "difficult"?

That's the automation part. For improvisation I suggest to review your best or most enjoyable improvisations:

  • try identifying patterns (fingers, time, sequences/phrases, harmony, progression ...
  • try cultivating your findings, just like you'd do with speeking
  • try variations
  • be open to "failures" and "ideas"
  • combine (which you could again handle via automation)

Example:

When learning drum patterns I noticed it was sufficient to go through all combinations rather than memorizing any number of rhythm patterns. E.g. when trying triplets, I went through all 9 combis:

  • A: x . .
  • B: . x .
  • %
  • I: x x x

and finally tried combinations of an kind like:

  • A A A B
  • A A B B
  • B B A A
  • etc. wherever systematics or curiosity led me

Result: From listening to my band I knew what to play at any time. Automated improvisation.

BTW, this will work for any instrument. Confirmed by my keyboard and organ.

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