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eight bars of a pop song

Amateur hobbyist here. Bar 37 (at the 4 chord) in the image has a timing I am repeatedly notating in place of 4 eighth notes (or 4 quarter notes in 4/4), to let the singer know to be ahead of the beats after the first. I feel like this is a common timing in pop music and wondered if there is a known shorthand for this effect, or a more elegant notation for it.

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  • Are those dotted barlines going to appear in the final score? Commented Nov 4 at 13:41
  • Yes I usually leave them in. Not required though.
    – commonhare
    Commented Nov 4 at 13:49
  • @ElementsInSpace, if you're suggesting that legitimate sight-readers (ie not my band) are familiar & comfortable with that sort of 1/16-1/8-1/8-1/8-1/16 (in 2/4, no dotted barline) measure, that is I guess the essence of my question.
    – commonhare
    Commented Nov 4 at 14:00
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    Does the singer actually get those triplet rhythms or does it end up as straight 16ths in actuality? Commented Nov 4 at 18:03
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    Have you considered notating the whole thing in 4/4 (or alla breve), that is with twice longer note values, i.e. quarter notes instead of eighth notes etc? That would reduce the visual clutter. Commented Nov 4 at 21:06

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In the comments, you mention that you were flexible about those dotted barlines. I’m not really sure what they are for, and I’m finding them a little distracting; they make the actual barlines stand out less. More importantly, if you got rid of them you could join up the tied semiquavers in measure 37 (for the lyric “-cised”) to become another quaver in the beam group.

Gould* says that you can break the “rule” about always showing the beats in the bar when you have a reasonably simple figure with a syncopated accentuation. Even the half-bar doesn’t have to be shown in 2/4, as seen the the first example (below). This is actually the same figure as in your measure (a semiquaver beamed with three quavers and another semiquaver) .

I’d leave the other measures, such as mm. 31 and 32, beamed as the are though, because their figures are more complicated.


* Elaine Gould’s Behind Bars — The definitive guide to music notation (2011), p. 170:

Syncopation

Note-values written across the metre, contradicting normal bar division, express accents superimposed on the basic metre. Note-grouping that contradicts the metre will be read as syncopation. […]

When accentuation is intended to contradict the basic metre, write note-values across the beats:

1. Two measures in 2/4: each composed of a semiquaver beamed with three quavers and another semiquaver.  A tie connects the semiquavers across the barline.  "and"  2. Two measures in 6/8: each a dotted quaver, a dotted crotchet, and another dotted quaver.  Again, a tie connects the notes across the barline.

Divide up long bars of short note-values so that the reader does not lose count of the basic metre:

1. One measures in 4/4: two figures of a semiquaver beamed with three quavers and another semiquaver.  A tie connects the semiquavers in the middle of the measure.  "and not"  2. One measure in 4/4: one figure of a semiquaver beamed with seven quavers and another semiquaver.  This is marked “too difficult to read”.

[…]

Rhythms that should not be syncopated must divide note-values to expose the beats of the bar: […]

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    The dotted bar lines do seem distracting. I'm wondering in what way should I be regarding 1 beat length measures? Commented Nov 4 at 18:00
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This seems to be the 'proper' way of writing 'pushed' notes, although more and more, there is no need to signify where the middle of a bar in 4/4 (or 2/4) actually is, by doing what you show - the tied notes. If that works for you and your band, then fine, but substituting quavers for the tied semis would also work fine, especially when everyone got used to that way of writing/reading.

Looking at a lot of dots that have been 'simplified', it's apparent that the pushes have been put in by the singers, even though they're not actually written on the sheets.

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  • Yes, and I do suspect that for both singers and instrumentalists, if you notate it in a "not-pushed" way, but suggest that it be pushed before the beat, they'll find it easier to read to perform, ... as opposed to deciphering (if sight-reading...) the relatively complicated dotted/held stuff as, in the end, just meaning to push the beat. Commented Nov 4 at 18:10

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