What's the theory behind this? (Or does it NOT 'work'?)
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8Can you define "work"?– RichardCommented Aug 16, 2018 at 3:54
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No. But, along with 'what's the theory behind...' it frequently appears in questions here.– LaurenceCommented Aug 16, 2018 at 6:49
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@LaurencePayne these questions typically come up in an example piece which gives a lot of context. You can ask questions like this if you want, but you get back what you put in. Just listing chord progressions with no context won't yield as good of a result as an example that uses it.– Dom ♦Commented Aug 16, 2018 at 16:51
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@LaurencePayne there's still chromatic movement in your example so voice leading is still actively in play. It doesn't go away just because most of your line is an arpeggio. If you are trying to make a point about needing to define what "works" means this isn't going to get you there.– Dom ♦Commented Aug 17, 2018 at 4:34
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1Related: Why does the chord progression (i-)#IV-i sound acceptable?, where you, Laurence, have the top-voted answer! (?)– RichardCommented Jan 20, 2019 at 18:05
6 Answers
I'm hesitant to answer this, because by your own admission you can't define "work," which suggests you might not even know when a proper answer has appeared. Furthermore, you give no hints as to style; an answer to this question in a first-semester harmony course would be very different from the answer in a sixth-semester course for composition majors. But I'll offer some thoughts.
Schenkerian Theory
From a strict Schenkerian standpoint, one could say that this doesn't "work." By this I mean that this progression does not fit within the framework of Schenkerian theory.
In the abstract to "The ♯IV(♭V) Hypothesis: Testing the Limits of Schenker's Theory of Tonality," the authors state that
Our ♯IV/♭V Hypothesis is based on Schenkerian theory's predictions that if ♯IV/♭V sonorities appear in a tonal context, then they are always indirectly related to the tonic; thus, whenever ♯IV/♭V Stufen are interpreted as being directly related to the tonic or are not explainable in a convincing way as indirectly related, either the analysis is incorrect or the work must be deemed non-tonal.
As your excerpt is currently written, I don't see a way to interpret your F♯ (that is, ♯IV) as being anything but directly related to tonic, because there are no chords other than tonic to which it could relate.
Furthermore, the F♯ is a tritone away from C, and the C is a tritone away from F♯. This means that, from a purely tonal standpoint, it's impossible to tell which pitch is tonic since each chord is equidistant from the other. (Metrical concerns, however, do give C a slight edge.)
Schenkerian Theory, Part II
If, however, you attach a D and G chord at the end, we could view the F♯ as combined with the D creating applied motion to G (V). In doing so, we no longer relate the ♯IV to tonic, but rather to V. This then qualifies as a correct tonal progression within the Schenkerian framework.
Note that that is only one way to fit this progression into a Schenkerian framework. Another would be to insert an E♭ chord between the C and F♯. Doing so that causes us to reinterpret the F♯ as G♭, and we might then interpret the G♭ as ♭III of ♭III (that is, ♭III of E♭).
Neo-Riemannian Theory
From a neo-Riemannian standpoint, we can view this as a PRPR transformation:
P(C) = Cm (read as "The parallel of C is Cm."
R(Cm) = E♭ (read as "The relative of Cm is E♭.")
P(E♭) = E♭m
R(E♭m) = G♭ = F♯
Perhaps unexpectedly, this is in line with the second Schenkerian interpretation of ♭III/♭III.
All of this is to say that the answer all depends on how you define "work."
But I hope you aren't trying to point out that questions that ask how something "works" are not fit for this site. There's a big difference between questions about mode mixture and applied chords (which both date back to the 18th century at least!) and the quintessential tonality-defying progression of two chords a tritone apart.
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Your Schenkerian analysis seems to be of a different sequence - one containing additional chords. I'd be more interested in an analysis of THIS progression.– LaurenceCommented Aug 16, 2018 at 15:22
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3@LaurencePayne I'm aware, and I specify as much in my answer. I just thought it would be helpful, in light of the Schenkerian framework, to show how this progression could be made to fit.– RichardCommented Aug 16, 2018 at 15:24
F#s resolve upwards to Gs. C#s down to Cs. Cs resolve upwards to C#s, Gs resolve downwards to F#s. So it has a bit of an ambiguous tonal center. And it just alternates, which reinforces the feel.
It's also chord planing which makes the tritone relationship somewhat melodic instead of harmonic.
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@LaurencePayne Not that I know of. I think planing means that it's the same chord flavor, especially when one or more of the chords are not in the same diatonic key (like it's not much in the way of planing to go I-IV-V-I). Commented Aug 15, 2018 at 20:39
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1Tritone intervals are used heavily in certain types of music (jazz, for instance). Even playing an F# chord on top of a C7 chord has a nice, rich "jazzy" sound. I use this C7(b9b5) chord frequently in my playing. Also, when following a typical circle-of-fifths progression, it's common to delay the resolution of each chord to the next by inserting jumping to the tritone, then resolving to the second chord (for instance, C7 to F# down to F).– Kevin HCommented Aug 15, 2018 at 21:03
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In the commentary below the question, it seems like the definition of a chord progression "working" is part of what needs to be addressed here. I can't speak for anyone else, but when I see questions like this I tend to interpret them as something more like "X progression seems to be outside the world of basic common-practice theory, but I nevertheless hear it as a reasonable harmonic connection. What is the nature of X that makes it sound like a reasonable connection despite its apparent deviation from basic theory?"
Framed in that way, there are several possible responses (assuming the questioner is correct that X isn't already clearly a part of basic common-practice theory): 1) Actually, this is a thinly veiled version of a thing that really is fairly standard; 2) although X doesn't follows such and such constraints of basic theory, it does follow such and such other constraints in a way that offsets it; or 3) this is far enough outside the norms of basic theory that the reason it works might well be its divergence from standards.
Implicit in all of this is the fact that, for the most part, something "working" ultimately just means some person likes it. For instance, I don't recognize the example you provide, but it isn't particularly to my taste. In one sense I might say that it doesn't "work." But if we engage with the discussion from that angle, we gain very little—you like it, I don't, but we haven't really learned anything beyond each others' opinions. Objectively speaking, we have to acknowledge that, somewhere out there, for virtually any possible combination of notes there's at least somebody that likes it. It "works" for them. My job, in answering the question on a site like this, is therefore to offer possible music-theoretical reasons for the potential usefulness or interest in a particular progression and to explain it.
So with this particular example, I think I'd go somewhere in between answer 2) and 3) above. One thing that potentially works (in a #3 sense) in this progression is its flouting of the norms of root progressions standard to a lot of Western music. It forces a striking "freshness" to the combination despite its repetition. It contains a cross-relation (C–C#) which directly contradicts the presumed tonic and forcefully defies categorization into any particular major/minor key. In fact, as others point out, the strict symmetry of a tritone relation (F# precisely bifurcates a C–C octave and vice-versa) injects a potentially exciting tension between two different tonal centers with each chord potentially both the "away" and the "home" harmony. Only metric emphasis tends to privilege either.
Contrasting a bit with that freshness, however, is the relative closeness of two notes in the chords in terms of pure parsimonious voice leading. The C and the G need only move (in contrary motion no less!) a single half step to reach C# and F#, leaving a reflection of the tritone root relation in the distance between E and A#. Alternatively, the C could be heard as splitting into one half-step motion up to C# and one whole step motion down to A#(Bb) while the E and the G converge on F# with a whole and half step respectively. Contrary to your comment on the question, these parsimonious connections tend to be heard as significant regardless of whether they are pursued on the surface of the music. To be sure, if I play a C major chord down low and then play an E minor chord up high, then I am significantly lessening the surface connection of the chords by ignoring the two potential common tones. But the latent connection between them and octave equivalence would lead it to still have a significant connective impact. The surface certainly doesn't always follow the connections literally, but that doesn't mean they aren't affecting the sound of the connection.
Add to this the fact that the two chords are connected by having the same quality, and we have some elements providing a few close(ish) connections with a few other elements providing significant tension. Such combinations can be quite compelling, despite (or because of?) this particular one being extremely rare in the common practice era.
Just to add to the excellent answers about harmonic reasons it works...
It works because it repeats. The first time I hear C to F# it sounds wrong. But each time I hear it after that, especially if the melody is interesting, it makes more and more sense.
I'd encourage you to start with a C chord, pick any unrelated chord, and then alternate between the two. It will sound less and less wrong, and more and more like you meant to do it.
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And with repetition, the 'kooky-ness' will decrease. Pity!– LaurenceCommented Sep 12, 2022 at 22:47
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It's funny. I stumbled upon this question not realizing I had read, and answered it, previously. I was even ready to answer again, but this time my reaction was: "repetition legitimizes" and the music sort of reads like a vamp. Commented Dec 12 at 18:09
In the context of C to F# given the implication is F#7. Dom7th chords universally work in resolution to any other dominant 7th(as these chords are wrappers for diminished 7ths). The implication after the F# is C7. Hence one has C7 F#7(the 7ths being implied from the context). If the chords were major 7ths it would unlikely "work". In this case it is tritone substitutions. F# = F# A# C# (E) = Gb Bb Db E which is connected to an incomplete C7b5b9(A sort of French +6). So, in a proper context it is simply a type of C7 chord.
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I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean as implied dominant seventh chords, you could have
C7 F#7 Fmaj7
where theF#7
is just the tritone substitute forC7
? Commented Sep 13, 2022 at 17:50 -
Or did you mean the first chord is incomplete
C7
and the second is an incompleteC7b5b9
enharmonically respelled usingF# A# C#
instead ofGb Bb Db
, and it's not two chords, but two voicings and alterations of aC
dominant seventh chord? Commented Sep 13, 2022 at 17:58
You could say it "works" simply because it's kooky. Depending on the point of the music that might be exactly how it should "work."
But, if the idea is to try to force it into a tonal analysis, then it seems fair to change around the style, and find a why that a progression from a C
major chord to an F♯
major chord is not outlandish.
If we make some chord tone omissions, and change the voicing, we have the outline for a phrygian cadence, where the implied chords are Em
to F♯
major. The Em
chord needs only one alteration, raising the B
to C
to provide our C
major chord. Progression C
to F#
doesn't fit a diatonic scale, but it does fit nicely with a double harmonic scale.
Admittedly this is a far stretch from the original example marked with a swing tempo. But, if we consider C
to F#
generally, we can make it work in an exotic way with the double harmonic scale, and it's a sort of "modal cousin" to a phrygian cadence.
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I think you nailed it with 'It's kooky'. I'm amused (and rather disappointed) to see how many people have tried to concoct a functional excuse!– LaurenceCommented Sep 12, 2022 at 22:44
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@Laurence Was that not the entire point of your question? To solicit explanations?– RichardCommented Sep 13, 2022 at 1:42
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No. The point was to explore the concept, so often encountered in this forum, of a progression 'working'.– LaurenceCommented Sep 13, 2022 at 10:18