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Questions tagged [just-intonation]

For questions related to tuning systems that privilege justly tuned intervals as opposed to equal temperament, meantone temperament, etc. Questions will likely also require the tuning tag.

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Why is the Major-Minor Scale unused?

I tried to make the "best" 7-tone scale in just intonation. Specifically: The tones must be alongside the equal temperament. (7-TET here) The tones must have the least maximum harmonic distance. ...
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Need help understanding the difference between diatonic and chromatic semitones

I am writing an essay on musical temperaments for which I was doing something extensive research on the history of tuning and how it evolved over time. I understand the Pythagorean tuning system quite ...
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What do you call a scale with 19 notes per octave? Howabout 17 notes per octave?

I know that a 12-note scale (as in the currently ubiquitous 12 equal temperament) is called "chromatic". In a chromatic system, there are sharps and/or flats, but no neighboring sharps and flats. ...
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How did Pythagoras and Ptolemy measure the relative pitch of musical notes?

Both Pythagoras and Ptolemy believed that the intervals between notes in music should be ratios of small integer numbers. This is known as Just Intonation. Pythagoras liked them to derived from ...
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Is this music (flow my tears) here being played in 31 TET or a form of renaissance unequal temperament such as quarter comma meantone?

While looking for 31TET music I stumbled across this recording of "flow my tears" my John Dowland The video description and the album artwork indicate that it's ...
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If an ensemble plays using just intonation, is it true the ensemble will always go sharp?

I was once told that an ensemble that plays in just intonation will always go sharp, and I'm wondering if that's actually true. The easiest way to disprove this claim is to find an instance where the ...
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Just intonation within a piece

Say I have a piece in C major. I want just intonation and select pitches for C major. What should happen if the piece stays on an F major triad? Should I switch the intonation to F major for that ...
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Recommended tuning system for a 12 note chromatic scale [closed]

A few questions: 1) Is there a preferred or standard tuning system (e.g., even-/just-tempered, etc.) for modern western music or, perhaps a more appropriate question, what is your ideal tuning system?...
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Tuning six-string in open D, just intonation?

I am playing a six-string guitar tuned to open D (DADF#AD). I have “heard tell” of players who use the principles of “just intonation” to... improve/make more pleasing to the ear... the intonation of ...
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keys with just intonation on guitar with standard tuning

I know that guitar is an imperfect music instrument as in standard tuning the intonation is slightly off. When playing a given chord, one or more notes will be slightly out of tune. I wanted to know ...
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Just Intonation confusion

Could anybody explain to me what is affected by Just Intonation? The melodic and harmonic intervals or the scale degrees and distance from the tonic?
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What problems, if any, arise from constructing a Chromatic scale from the Ptolemaic Diatonic scale? [closed]

On this page, the author suggests that we might extend the Ptolemaic diatonic scale to a chromatic scale like so: | C | C# | D | Eb | E | F | |-----|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----| | 1/1 ...
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How are Just-Tuned scales beyond those of 12-notes constructed?

I was experimenting with what ratios come up when one continues on the Pythagorean cycling of fifths, and came up with the following chart: Those ratios beyond the 12-note Pythagorean scale are shown ...
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With modern electronic technology is temperament unnecessary?

I am a Physics student but also love math and music, and know a little bit about tuning because it is related to mathematics. So as far as I understand, Just Intonation is more consonant than ...
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Tuning type setting on Yamaha CP5?

I would like to change the tuning type on a Yamaha CP5. I could not find anything relevant in the manual, surprisingly, since cheaper models (like P-140) routinely have this setting. There is a thread ...
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Double Sharps in Just Intonation. The mathematics?

So I'm experimenting around and I'm creating a small little thing in C#### minor just because. I understand the mathematics of C#### in Pythagorean and Equal Temperment music systems but how do you ...
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Difference between equal temperament and just intonation

I am learning Indian classical music and learned about just intonation and equal temperament. I want to know the difference between them. I know that Indian classical music uses just intonation and ...
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Just intonation with Fluidsynth

Is there a way to get fluidsynth to play in just intonation, or more generally select the intonation of this soft synth?
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What are the characteristic intervals or scales of 13-limit harmony and beyond?

I've been studying and really getting into the Extended Just Intonation music of composers like Ben Johnston and Kyle Gann. I've started trying to explore the sort of intervals and scales that are ...
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Does good intonation alone really make you “louder”? If yes, why?

I have multiple times heard this claim, from very different sources. There certainly seems to be some correlation between intonation and "loudness", in the sense that ensembles with great harmony ...
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Understanding just intonation, Timidity, and Scala

I'm not a programmer but I am working on a program that manipulates music via MIDI files in all sorts of interesting ways. I want to add the ability to use alternate tunings. I even went so far as to ...
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In Pythagorean tuning, what's the frequency of the tonic of each key?

When playing a fretless instrument (like violin), what frequency should be used to tune beginning of each key? I believe that for A major and A minor, 440Hz is the tonic. What will be the frequency ...
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Should the dominant-seventh chord in just intonation use 9:5 for its seventh, or rather 16:9?

It may be just out of habit, what with the 12-edo temperament all around us, but anyway: I find the dominant-seventh rendition 20:25:30:36 sounds extremely harsh. In particular, the tritone from the ...
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Why Is Just Intonation Impractical?

I've read about the debate of "just intonation" vs 12-tone equal temperament. And nowhere it was clearly stated why just intonation is impractical. Here are my assumptions. Please let me know if I am ...